[kurtsimonw]

Pinilla...

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[Rossoneri7]

In La Liga it is a debate we have each season: Who’s the best player in the world, Messi or Ronaldo? Well, with Portugal out of the World Cup and a Messi-inspired Argentina now through to the quarter-finals, the stage is set for him to confirm his place as No1.

That is an opinion shared by Italy’s World Cup-winning defender, Alessandro Nesta, after Messi’s latest man-of-the-match performance saw him lay on the winning goal for Angel Di Maria to steer Argentina into an intriguing last-eight clash with Belgium.

Messi’s own goals tally of four sees him sitting, menacingly, in joint second place in the race for the Golden Boot. They are the kind of qualities that make Nesta, a Sony Team Ambassador for the World Cup in Brazil, re-enter the discussion about who’s the best.

“Globally, looking at the whole career, the highest peak is touched by Messi,” said Nesta. “Unfortunately, one year I played against him four times in a season, I’ve been very unlucky and already pretty old!

“He has something special, a real out of the ordinary player. CR7 is a great champion too, but Messi is special, is the toughest one for a defender. Messi can make ten sprints in a row, it’s impossible for you to stand against him.”

As the Swiss discovered, even deep into extra-time the Barca magician can find reserves of stamina and strength to produce a match-winning moment, drawing in defenders on one of his mazy runs before his exquisite assist for Di Maria. “You’re already more than tired while he’s fresh and reactive, there’s no match against him, he keeps the ball like no one else,” added Nesta.

“CR7 radically changed his style of play. I remember when I met him in Manchester, he was very tricky, a dribbling-lover, now he is much more effective, he always shots on target, he’s very dangerous just for this. He changed a lot his style, now he uses his skills to be more effective rather than just to make a show.”

But if Messi can add a World Cup to his glittering collection on July 13, the perennial debate may well come to a close.

Nesta's Messi vs CR (IMG:style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

[Danny]

After Muller, Messi has been the most decisive player in this WC.

His goals have been the most important but his performances haven't sparkled. Oddly enough yesterday's was his best overall and he didn't score.

For me the player of the tournament has been James Rodriguez.

[Danny]

Nesta's Messi vs CR (IMG:style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

Truth is Argentina have had an (on paper) stroll to this stage. Bosnia, Iran, Algeria and Switzerland. They have France next, the first decent team they've faced, and if they are to win the whole thing they'll now have to beat genuinely top class teams.

If Messi can inspire them to this, I'll have to reluctantly concede he's achieved more than Ronaldo. I prefer Ronaldo's play, powerful, pacy and thunderous, with lots of skill, compared to Messi's subtle positional play, lethal left foot and deft touches.

But till now Messi's Argentina have never made a final of anything, far less won anything. Ronaldo has the advantage there. Even if Argentina make the final, they have to win, it, or Ronaldo can point to Portugal 2004.

[han2503]

His goals have been the most important but his performances haven't sparkled. Oddly enough yesterday's was his best overall and he didn't score.

For me the player of the tournament has been James Rodriguez.

Truth is Argentina have had an (on paper) stroll to this stage. Bosnia, Iran, Algeria and Switzerland. They have France next, the first decent team they've faced, and if they are to win the whole thing they'll now have to beat genuinely top class teams.

If Messi can inspire them to this, I'll have to reluctantly concede he's achieved more than Ronaldo. I prefer Ronaldo's play, powerful, pacy and thunderous, with lots of skill, compared to Messi's subtle positional play, lethal left foot and deft touches.

But till now Messi's Argentina have never made a final of anything, far less won anything. Ronaldo has the advantage there. Even if Argentina make the final, they have to win, it, or Ronaldo can point to Portugal 2004.

For once I completely share your views Danny (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[Ry4n]

Truth is Argentina have had an (on paper) stroll to this stage. Bosnia, Iran, Algeria and Switzerland. They have France next, the first decent team they've faced, and if they are to win the whole thing they'll now have to beat genuinely top class teams.

If Messi can inspire them to this, I'll have to reluctantly concede he's achieved more than Ronaldo. I prefer Ronaldo's play, powerful, pacy and thunderous, with lots of skill, compared to Messi's subtle positional play, lethal left foot and deft touches.

But till now Messi's Argentina have never made a final of anything, far less won anything. Ronaldo has the advantage there. Even if Argentina make the final, they have to win, it, or Ronaldo can point to Portugal 2004.

I really think Argentina's defence is not up to scratch , with all due respect to the teams Argentina has faced few have really troubled Argentina not because they are not good in attack they have just wasted there chances so much take last night when the swiss were 1v1 against Romero the swiss player tries to chip him...

My predict for the next game vs France it will be tight no doubt but france to win 2-0 So far Argentina have one and a half outlets Messi and Di Maria if they are shut down it's pretty much gg for Argetina's attack.

This post has been edited by Ry4n: Jul 2 2014, 12:03 PM

[Danny]

For once I completely share your views Danny (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I've changed my mind on everything I just said (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[Fillipo Simone]

I think it's still to early to say who's been the "most anything". James has played against some pretty poor defenses, not really tested. Switzerland was the first real test for Argentina, and they were lucky. Yes, Messi and James have been decisive so far. But only so far.

[han2503]

I've changed my mind on everything I just said (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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[milanbuf88]

Truth is Argentina have had an (on paper) stroll to this stage. Bosnia, Iran, Algeria and Switzerland. They have France next, the first decent team they've faced, and if they are to win the whole thing they'll now have to beat genuinely top class teams.

If Messi can inspire them to this, I'll have to reluctantly concede he's achieved more than Ronaldo. I prefer Ronaldo's play, powerful, pacy and thunderous, with lots of skill, compared to Messi's subtle positional play, lethal left foot and deft touches.

But till now Messi's Argentina have never made a final of anything, far less won anything. Ronaldo has the advantage there. Even if Argentina make the final, they have to win, it, or Ronaldo can point to Portugal 2004.

They have Belgium next, not France.

[Danny]

They have Belgium next, not France.

Both about equal in quality tbh but yes, my error.

[X-Offender]

Germany - France
Brazil - Colombia
Holland - Costa Rica
Argentina - Belgium

Predictions?

I'd go with Germany-Colombia and Holland-Belgium.

[Fillipo Simone]

Germany-Brazil and Argentina-Holland for me.

[X-Offender]

Germany-Brazil and Argentina-Holland for me.

That'd be classic.

[kurtsimonw]

I really think Argentina's defence is not up to scratch , with all due respect to the teams Argentina has faced few have really troubled Argentina not because they are not good in attack they have just wasted there chances so much take last night when the swiss were 1v1 against Romero the swiss player tries to chip him...

When you consider that Romero was arguably MotM in the Argentina-Iran game, that says it all.