[Bluesummers]

Its appalling the amount of criticism a boy who just turned 18 gets.

He's gonna flop, he's gonna have bad days, he's gonna have days wheres hes ineffective. Its part of the process. You want to develop players, thats the price to be paid. Don't want to pay that price? Splash 30m and bring tevez instead of 2m on a kid.


This kid is going to be good. He wouldn't be playing A) for Milan if he wasn't and B ) starting for Milan if he wasn't.

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Feb 11 2013, 07:12 AM

[TriniKing_CE]

Apparently it was said after the game in a political rally he was attending.

I'm pretty certain I saw the quote yesterday morning before the game even kicked off.

[Forza Milan!]

And me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Seriously though, I think the kid shows potential of being a good CF in the future, but this winger business just makes him look bad. Same with SES now as it's become painful to watch that kind of talent wasting away out wide.

FWIW, it looks like Prando is playing ElSha in a similar role in the NT.

[Forza Milan!]

Guys guys, just chill it with Niang. Seriously the player is being played out of position. It's just incredibly harsh the way you guys are coming down on the kid. I don't see ANYBODY who plays well for Milan these days. Just a couple instances here and there, even then very inconsistent. It's hard to judge any of our players at this point. I watched most of the game, I couldn't even decide what happened.. The whole game looked like a training drill. Why are you guys coming down on Niang? It just doesn't make sense. A lot of us are wishfully pushing for him to be our future star and there is not much to take away right now, I'll give you that. But who is good right now? I refuse to believe we have an entire roster of $hit players. Nobody looks motivated or hungry. Nobody seems to be following any specific set of overall team tactics. The team simply gets on the pitch, runs around and passes around. There is absolutely nothing else in our gameplan that I can see. Please aim your frustration elsewhere. Niang is being played out of position, but it's nice to see him try very hard. There is not much else to say.

Agree with the fact that the entire team is underperforming. Once again it comes down to the coach, who IMHO is the one person who is responsible for motivating and inspiring the players. (Not to mention making the right tactical choices.)

[Forza Milan!]

Then f@cking SACK him already FFS!!!!!!!!!!!

Indeed. However, I have a feeling that it will not happen until the season is over. So we are going to see more performances like this one. Pity, because CL is within reach despite our horrible start.

[Bluesummers]

He's done at the end of the season. Its obvious, berlu saying those things is pretty much clear and then theres also the heavy contact with pep earlier.

[Rossoneri7]

There is a lot to complain about, because even when we win we still play shitty football. This team is capable of much better, yet our rookie coach tries his hardest to mess things up in every game. Today he messed up big time. Even a noob could predict our atrocious performance with that midfield Allegri played from the start. The fact that we had Boateng and Nocerino on the bench makes it even more cringeworthy. The guy is an idiot, he doesn't deserve any praise whatsoever, and I pity those who take his side.

And yours was a witty remark.

No one is taking sides, this isn't about I win you loose (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

More like, the guy gets the job done this sorry excuse of a starting XI. If you compare this squad to the 'old' one we had last season, you would clearly see the difference. A better measure would be when we face Barcelona, compare our performance with our old team against them to this young 'new' team. You get the point I'm making? This team can't win and wont win anything noteworthy, maybe a CL spot but that is stretching it to the limits. And guess what, that is where we are now.

You guys talk about our midfield as if Seedorf and Pirlo are on the bench ... You don't need to praise the coach, I'm not praising him, just stating the obvious in that he has done a remarkable job considering what we started with and where we are now.

The argument that this team can do better is relatively subjective, considering this is the best the team has reached all season. Hence, one could argue that we could do better, yet this is the best we have done so far. Without any hype that is.

[Fillipo Simone]

Its appalling the amount of criticism a boy who just turned 18 gets.

He's gonna flop, he's gonna have bad days, he's gonna have days wheres hes ineffective. Its part of the process. You want to develop players, thats the price to be paid. Don't want to pay that price? Splash 30m and bring tevez instead of 2m on a kid.

Days when he's gonna be ineffective you say? The guy played 8 Serie A matches and made a total of 0 goals and 1 assist. I don't deny as well what han said - he has potential - but nothing more. At this moment we have a better player more suited for the position Niang occupies sitting on the bench.

This kid is going to be good. He wouldn't be playing A) for Milan if he wasn't and B ) starting for Milan if he wasn't.

If this logic would work, Grimi, Mattioni, Albertazzi, Palibrk and a tons of other youngsters would now be our stars.

[Zed.D]

Your forgot Kuff-Kuff. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) he had talent and he was given the chance to make it at a big club but failed miserably. Niang could go on to become the next Henry, or he could simply become another Gourcuff. no one knows...

[Danny]

tbh I knew we'd draw when I saw the team. 3 DMs? I must admit Max, you fubared RIGHT up there.

I know Monto wasn't available, but having 3 turgid DMs next to each other there? Not an iota of PASSING among all 3, never mind genuine creativity.

Max made the fundamental error of sticking to the same system yesterday when he didn't have the players for it.

Basic rule of management; you shape your system around the players you have, you don't fit square pegs in round holes and stick to your formation when you don't have the available players.

A 3 in midfield always needs your gritty DM (Flamini), your CM (Noce) and your creative playmaker (Monto). If you don't have any one of those three you can't do a 3.

He should have worked on a different system for this match, one which used the wingplay like against Udi. Dare I say a basic 4-2-1-3? 2 in the middle: Noce and Flamini. The gap between them and the 3 up top - Boateng or Bojan.

[X-Offender]

No one is taking sides, this isn't about I win you loose (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

More like, the guy gets the job done this sorry excuse of a starting XI. If you compare this squad to the 'old' one we had last season, you would clearly see the difference. A better measure would be when we face Barcelona, compare our performance with our old team against them to this young 'new' team. You get the point I'm making? This team can't win and wont win anything noteworthy, maybe a CL spot but that is stretching it to the limits. And guess what, that is where we are now.

You guys talk about our midfield as if Seedorf and Pirlo are on the bench ... You don't need to praise the coach, I'm not praising him, just stating the obvious in that he has done a remarkable job considering what we started with and where we are now.

The argument that this team can do better is relatively subjective, considering this is the best the team has reached all season. Hence, one could argue that we could do better, yet this is the best we have done so far. Without any hype that is.

Err, no, that's a lame justification. The only difference were Thiago Silva and Ibrahimovic, which we managed to substantially eliminate by signing Balotelli. We have all the important players from last season: Abbiati, Abate, Mexes, Nocerino, Boateng, El Shaarawy, Robinho etc. and a few nice additions in Zapata, Constant, De Jong (who's injured, yes, but Flamini was also injured last season, so you could swap the two) Montolivo, Bojan, Balotelli, Pazzini etc. At the end of the day, there isn't that great of a difference in quality between this team and the one of last season, especially now that we signed Balo. We don't have all the unnecessary senators that slowed us down, and we don't even have that many injuries either. Of course, we don't have Thiago and Nesta in defense, but still Allegri has all the possibilities to field a quality line-up every Sunday, yet, like yesterday, he always finds way to mess things up.

[Bluesummers]

Days when he's gonna be ineffective you say? The guy played 8 Serie A matches and made a total of 0 goals and 1 assist. I don't deny as well what han said - he has potential - but nothing more. At this moment we have a better player more suited for the position Niang occupies sitting on the bench.


If this logic would work, Grimi, Mattioni, Albertazzi, Palibrk and a tons of other youngsters would now be our stars.

So when maldini was playing for milan at age 18, I wonder what was said about him?

Or say someone like lampard. Did you see the press conference where a fan was b*tching at redknapp for giving lampard so much time when most people thought he was going to be an average player at best.


There are things these coaches see that we don't. If niang is playing there is a reason. Its not a joke, its a serious job.

and again going on about those other youngsters, did they really play for milan? No they didn't. So there you go they had promise but in the end weren't good enough. Niang right now is clearly good enough to be a starter.

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Feb 11 2013, 05:37 PM

[X-Offender]

There are things these coaches see that we don't.

Dude, it's Allegri. Even my grandma knows more of football than this idiot.

[Bluesummers]

Dude, it's Allegri. Even my grandma knows more of football than this idiot.

If you honestly think that then i'm sorry to say but your an idiot.


Getting a uefa pro liscence in its self is harder than completing a PhD at a top level university. Then lets not forget he's worked his way up from Serie C2 to where he is now. Again football isn't a charity, if your garbage your gone simple as that.

Not only has been successful with all of his teams, hes also won stuff what a surprise (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)



Serie C1 (1): 2007–08
Serie A (1): 2010–11
Supercoppa Italiana (1): 2011


Albo Panchina d'Oro (1): 2008–09 (Won when mourinho was at inter btw)
Serie A Coach of the Year (1): 2010–11


Someone "who your grandma knows more about football than" wouldn't have won coach of the year twice or are you saying that the italian league has a bunch of mediocre clueless coach that allegri is able to win it twice?

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Feb 11 2013, 06:02 PM

[han2503]

God no. Forget playing 2 up front without a real #10 and the crappy narrow formation. I would much prefer to play Niang out of position on the wing than have someone like Boateng play as our #10, never again.

So what you saw yesterday was okay? Is that what you're saying?

I just don't get your constant support of this BS from Allegri.

In reality we've been playing like this ALL season long. We've won a couple recently through sheer luck at times and even a couple of gifts from the refs. We haven't played ONE single game throughout this season where we've shown any semblence of even cohesion in our play. Max said it best yesterday that our only strategy under this coach is to go out there and pass the ball about with the hope that it will find itslef at the back of the net through some freak accident. And now that we have Balo we're seeing what we used to see with Ibra, direct long balls and hoping

I didn't say play Boateng as the number 10. Boateng needs to be in that midfield 3, even if Allegri prefers the likes of Muntari or Ambro instead (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) When we're desperate Allegri still resorts to putting Bojan in the centre as a 10, I'm saying we should start like that, not wait until the 70th minute and we already have an uphill battle ahead of us before actually playing in a way that we actually work well in attack. Once Bojan and Prince came on yesterday we actually started to make inroads into the Cagliari box and Balo started to get chances in good areas because Abate was freed up to run into good areas to cross instead of running into Niang.

And what width do we have? Just because the formation looks wide on paper it does not mean we actually play with GOOD width. All we do is play the ball up from FB to L/RCM to L/RW and then try to put in a useless cross. SES is completely AWOL during the game, Balo is stranded and barely sees the ball, and Niang thinks that by crossing you should take off the recipient's head. What good is that "width" you speak of doing us. We play like absolute sh!t for 70 minutes, we change things when we're desperate, introduce Prince, Robinho and Boateng and suddenly we're playing well.

If we want to get technical, SS shouldn't be on the pitch as much as Niang in that 4-3-3. He's basically useless right now, teams have easily figured him out. He's not cutting in like he was at the start of the season and he's finding it hard to find open spaces in the center to run into and score like he was before

Its appalling the amount of criticism a boy who just turned 18 gets.

He's gonna flop, he's gonna have bad days, he's gonna have days wheres hes ineffective. Its part of the process. You want to develop players, thats the price to be paid. Don't want to pay that price? Splash 30m and bring tevez instead of 2m on a kid.


This kid is going to be good. He wouldn't be playing A) for Milan if he wasn't and B ) starting for Milan if he wasn't.

Just like Filippo said blue, there are waaaaay too many "talented" kids who were at Milan that turned out into huge flops. Just because we're wasting time on him because Allegri likes his huffing and puffing up and down the wing des not mean anything.

He's yet to show anything special, ESPECIALLY on that wing where he's hindering us instead of cotributing.

I'm all for giving kids a chance and seeing them make it. But not like this. Not when CL football is on the line and by extension the club's future because we simply cannot afford to miss out on that money. Certainly NOT when there are better options on the bench FFS!!!

No one said buy Tevez, but when you have 2 options on the bench who can play on the wing (since this is the formation that Allegri has frced us into playing), then f@cking play them!

FWIW, it looks like Prando is playing ElSha in a similar role in the NT.

I know, and look how well it worked out for Italy in midweek. I don't get why Prandelli suddenly thinks a 4-3-3 is a good idea when Italy have played their best stuff with a 4-3-1-2, especially in the big games during the Euros. SES and Balo should be a 2 upfront, if he persists with this then I can't see the point of playing SES when you have a talented winger like Insigne for example who could be played there instead

No one is taking sides, this isn't about I win you loose (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

More like, the guy gets the job done this sorry excuse of a starting XI. If you compare this squad to the 'old' one we had last season, you would clearly see the difference. A better measure would be when we face Barcelona, compare our performance with our old team against them to this young 'new' team. You get the point I'm making? This team can't win and wont win anything noteworthy, maybe a CL spot but that is stretching it to the limits. And guess what, that is where we are now.

You guys talk about our midfield as if Seedorf and Pirlo are on the bench ... You don't need to praise the coach, I'm not praising him, just stating the obvious in that he has done a remarkable job considering what we started with and where we are now.

The argument that this team can do better is relatively subjective, considering this is the best the team has reached all season. Hence, one could argue that we could do better, yet this is the best we have done so far. Without any hype that is.

I'm sorry R7 but you're painting a picture which is just not how things actually are.

He DOES have better options on the bench, he had Prince and Nocerino who at the end of the day he still had to sub in because ONCE AGAIN his decisions put us in a situation where things were do or die.

The reason why we were in the mess we were at the start of the season? Losing 2 players? Or Allegri? Just ridiculous that you would try to insinuate that he had nothing to do with us languishing in the relegation zone for I don't know how many weeks and try to pin that on him losing 2 players.

And why doesn't he have the services of the likes of Pirlo FFS?? He DID NOT want him! He told the management that he had no plans for a player like Pirlo! Who in turn was thrown away like garbage as if we did not need him.

REMARKABLE???!!

Remarkable is the sheer level of stupidity Allegri displays on a weekly basis. Who COULDN'T see before the match even kicked off that we would struggle badly today? It's just f@cking unbelievable that you would even try to stick up for him

Days when he's gonna be ineffective you say? The guy played 8 Serie A matches and made a total of 0 goals and 1 assist. I don't deny as well what han said - he has potential - but nothing more. At this moment we have a better player more suited for the position Niang occupies sitting on the bench.


If this logic would work, Grimi, Mattioni, Albertazzi, Palibrk and a tons of other youngsters would now be our stars.

Exactly

Your forgot Kuff-Kuff. ;) he had talent and he was given the chance to make it at a big club but failed miserably. Niang could go on to become the next Henry, or he could simply become another Gourcuff. no one knows...

Next Henry?

He doesn't even show an ounce of that kind of talent. If he turns out to be a half decent CF then I'd be happy because so far he doesn't show much more than that

tbh I knew we'd draw when I saw the team. 3 DMs? I must admit Max, you fubared RIGHT up there.

I know Monto wasn't available, but having 3 turgid DMs next to each other there? Not an iota of PASSING among all 3, never mind genuine creativity.

Max made the fundamental error of sticking to the same system yesterday when he didn't have the players for it.

Basic rule of management; you shape your system around the players you have, you don't fit square pegs in round holes and stick to your formation when you don't have the available players.

A 3 in midfield always needs your gritty DM (Flamini), your CM (Noce) and your creative playmaker (Monto). If you don't have any one of those three you can't do a 3.

He should have worked on a different system for this match, one which used the wingplay like against Udi. Dare I say a basic 4-2-1-3? 2 in the middle: Noce and Flamini. The gap between them and the 3 up top - Boateng or Bojan.

Agreed

Err, no, that's a lame justification. The only difference were Thiago Silva and Ibrahimovic, which we managed to substantially eliminate by signing Balotelli. We have all the important players from last season: Abbiati, Abate, Mexes, Nocerino, Boateng, El Shaarawy, Robinho etc. and a few nice additions in Zapata, Constant, De Jong (who's injured, yes, but Flamini was also injured last season, so you could swap the two) Montolivo, Bojan, Balotelli, Pazzini etc. At the end of the day, there isn't that great of a difference in quality between this team and the one of last season, especially now that we signed Balo. We don't have all the unnecessary senators that slowed us down, and we don't even have that many injuries either. Of course, we don't have Thiago and Nesta in defense, but still Allegri has all the possibilities to field a quality line-up every Sunday, yet, like yesterday, he always finds way to mess things up.

Exactly!