[Danny]

I think the most damning evidence of our complete lack of direction is the fact that a very good Italian international in Montolivo looked like he didn't know what a ball was on Sunday.

I know he's not Xavi, but he's a good player, and he's been reduced by this club/team to a horror show.

Morale is on the floor and it's spreading among the players like a virus.

[Danny]

Perhaps if you're looking for evidence right from Galliani's mouth then you should know better that sometimes you can't really believe in what he says or said. God knows what's going on in his mind, but I only judge him by his actions not his words. His actions suggest that our previous project with many champions can no longer co-exist with the current economic situation. So how to remedy the situation?

The first obvious thing to do is try to cut the wages which the management tried to do with many of our players and which started the whole mess to begin with. Since these players are people, normal people rarely accept wage-cuts so they go elsewhere where they can find better wages rather than accepting wage-cuts. I mean I would do it, wouldn't you?

Which brings to the second thing to do is selling. Like it or not, the only way to finance our operations, liabilities etc ... is if we have enough money. Since we didn't, we had to sell our prized-possessions.

So the management may not have exactly said that we're building for the future. I'm pretty sure the management does not want to see Milan fall far from grace but what else can they do in this situation? Sometimes you have to cut an arm to save the body, or sometimes downward is the only forward. We may accuse the management by being stingy or cheap, but refusing to accept Kaka's fee of what; 10 or 15 million, is not what we call cheap. It is what we call financial crisis.

All I am saying is that, we have to stick together and endure these difficult times.

I'm a little lost. You seem to be half agreeing with my conclusions that this club is a complete shambles, and half disagreeing stating it's some 'grand plan' concocted by the managers and is all part of a deliberate project of rebuilding.

So I don't know why the other chap agreed with you given you appear to contradict yourself?

[amancik]

Perhaps you misunderstood what I meant by new era. I was just implying that we must accept that our glory days are gone for now because we can no longer compete. I didn't imply anything else.

I do not disagree that our club is a mess because it is a total mess. We've grown accustomed to winning and then suddenly everything goes south, it's not easy to adjust to that. What I'm saying is this situation is forced upon us. So the management is doing whatever they can to make sure that we won't collapse altogether. Either we accept it or we don't. Perhaps I over-elaborated myself a little bit.

This post has been edited by amancik: Aug 28 2012, 04:46 PM

[X-Offender]

What I'm saying is this situation is forced upon us. So the management is doing whatever they can to make sure that we won't collapse altogether.

Or rather, it'll be the management who will lead to our downfall. I won't be fooled by the FFP insinuations and whatnot. We're in this situation because Fininvest are sick of financing the losses of the club they own, plain and simple.

[Fillipo Simone]

I think the most damning evidence of our complete lack of direction is the fact that a very good Italian international in Montolivo looked like he didn't know what a ball was on Sunday.

I know he's not Xavi, but he's a good player, and he's been reduced by this club/team to a horror show.

Morale is on the floor and it's spreading among the players like a virus.

But this is how Montolivo usually is, the Euro was rather an exemption.

[Rossoneri7]

But this is how Montolivo usually is, the Euro was rather an exemption.

Yup ... Montolivo is Fiorentina midfield level quality at best, and depending on him will render us the exact same result.

[maldini03]

I think Montolivo has been the backbone for Fiore for the past few seasons, along with Jovetic. Without these two the club would have fallen much further then it had. I also think that we have only played one real game, and have now signed new players. When his position gets settled out, and his job completely outlined, he will be an extremely valuable addition for us, especially because he arrived for nothing.

[Danny]

Right, so a player who has been capped 37 times for the Italian national side is basically mediocre?

[han2503]

Monto is not mediocre, but he's not a leader either. He's a complementary player that needs others around him who are also great players. Imo he was one of the best players for Italy this summer, but look at who he had around him in midfeld.

[Fillipo Simone]

Monto is not mediocre, but he's not a leader either. He's a complementary player that needs others around him who are also great players. Imo he was one of the best players for Italy this summer, but look at who he had around him in midfeld.

That's the definition of mediocre han. Someone who can blend in a great team and do solidly, as well as slump into the darkness of disastrous team.

[han2503]

That's the definition of mediocre han. Someone who can blend in a great team and do solidly, as well as slump into the darkness of disastrous team.

Then our definitions of mediocre differ 100%. Mediocre is someone who even in a great team is just... well... mediocre!

Montolivo for me is the definition of a good solid player. Nothing more, nothing less.

[X-Offender]

Then our definitions of mediocre differ 100%. Mediocre is someone who even in a great team is just... well... mediocre!

Montolivo for me is the definition of a good solid player. Nothing more, nothing less.

+1

[Fillipo Simone]

This is what my thesaurus said: lacking exceptional quality or ability; "a novel of average merit"; "only a fair performance of the sonata"; "in fair health"; "the caliber of the students has gone from mediocre to above average"; "the performance was middling at best"

But anyhow, yes - Montolivo can do good. Nothing more.

[mishie]

The title of this thread is mis-leading. the club will always be proud no matter what. yes the team is now average but i'm sure if you ask the players they're proud to be a Milan player. I'm proud to be a Milan fan we're all proud just the quality of the team is **** (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Fillipo Simone]

Nice to hear from you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) As usual, you're right