[CHU-LIP]

Lol, sorry chu, but from all of us you seem to be the only one that understands the stupidity, yes I'll say it again, complete and utter stupidity behind playing Urby in the attacking midfielder position.

Please enlighten us all because all of us seem to be missing something in that case as I haven't seen one member who understands this decision on Allegri's part, especially his insistance on it after it fails time after time

I think I am able to see things from different ways better than some other people. So I try to look it both at your way and Allegri's. Since I don't have to explain your way to you, I will try to do Allegri's. I think something like this:

About Emanuelson: he actually plays well in a consistent way, which I didn't expect him to be able to when we signed him. Obviously he has grown as player since his arrival here. A plus about him is that he is very hardworking, which is an important fixture for a midfielder. Reason to use Emanuelson as AM is he defends a lot. When you put a more attacking player like El Shaarawy, I guess that will happen less. Now, I have never seen El Shaarawy as AM. So far he has only played as forward for Milan (I heard he played as AM for a Serie B side, but unless I actually saw him doing that myself, I cannot use that since it's different from being Milan's AM in Serie A and CL than in Serie B ), which he obvious can do well. I do wonder what he offers as AM, but I can't say he will be the right choice for that, I mean: on what can I base that? So I wonder: why doesn't Allegri use him as AM?

I assume Allegri doesn't use him as AM, because he probably will track back/defend less than Boateng and Emanuelson. It seems to me he wants an AM he can trust especially in the defending aspect of the game. For a forward Robinho works very hard and tracks back a lot, so he gets to play there sometimes too. I guess Robinho does that better than El Shaarawy, even though I never seen him play as AM, so I wouldn't know, but I try to understand Allegri's decisions. I do like to see El Shaarawy as AM, so I can judge myself. So far I know El Shaarawy at least is a very good young forward. He clearly has a future as an forward. And as AM? Idunno/can't judge. He does have at least some nice attributes for it, so I guess he could become a good AM also, but I simply don't know. And maybe you guys are right he would be better AM than Emanuelson because of all the quality/skills El Shaarawy got (much more than Emanuelson). It could be because Milan's midfield is weak (in both defensive way and possession way) that he chose the safer (more defending) Emanuelson?

And obviously, Emanuelson is not a typical AM, and it has downsides to play him there. Though he really gives his all every minute, which is good, he simply is nothing more than an average player. Clearly Milan still has no proper typical AM, or it's the poor midfield why so no El Shaarawy, which is a shame.

This post has been edited by CHU-LIP: Jan 19 2012, 03:44 PM

[William405]

Emmanuelson gives his all?the guy plays without heart (when on the ball at least) imo.
And,expecting a lot of defending from an AM mid is wrong anyway,attacking is the best way to defend and to avoid pressure.AM shouldn't have to defend a lot.

[CHU-LIP]

Emmanuelson gives his all?the guy plays without heart (when on the ball at least) imo.
And,expecting a lot of defending from an AM mid is wrong anyway,attacking is the best way to defend and to avoid pressure.AM shouldn't have to defend a lot.

If you don't have enough midfielders defending, it will end up going badly. And with our poor midfielders, I think we need the AM to support the other midfielders and defenders in defending.

Leonardo had a very attacking Milan. There were too many players who didn't defend or at least not enough. As a result we were humilated over and over again against good sides.

If you demand only to attack from your AM and forwards, it looks nice against poor sides, but you get humilated against a good one. And we simply don't have the midfielders to have an AM who won't defend. Van Bommel gets very little support from his fellow midfielders when it comes to conquering the ball back, and then you got a problem. Because then it are the opponents who attack, and you with your attacking skilled players can look at them scoring goals. Yay!

This post has been edited by CHU-LIP: Jan 19 2012, 06:14 PM

[han2503]

I think I am able to see things from different ways better than some other people. So I try to look it both at your way and Allegri's. Since I don't have to explain your way to you, I will try to do Allegri's. I think something like this:

About Emanuelson: he actually plays well in a consistent way, which I didn't expect him to be able to when we signed him. Obviously he has grown as player since his arrival here. A plus about him is that he is very hardworking, which is an important fixture for a midfielder. Reason to use Emanuelson as AM is he defends a lot. When you put a more attacking player like El Shaarawy, I guess that will happen less. Now, I have never seen El Shaarawy as AM. So far he has only played as forward for Milan (I heard he played as AM for a Serie B side, but unless I actually saw him doing that myself, I cannot use that since it's different from being Milan's AM in Serie A and CL than in Serie B ), which he obvious can do well. I do wonder what he offers as AM, but I can't say he will be the right choice for that, I mean: on what can I base that? So I wonder: why doesn't Allegri use him as AM?

I assume Allegri doesn't use him as AM, because he probably will track back/defend less than Boateng and Emanuelson. It seems to me he wants an AM he can trust especially in the defending aspect of the game. For a forward Robinho works very hard and tracks back a lot, so he gets to play there sometimes too. I guess Robinho does that better than El Shaarawy, even though I never seen him play as AM, so I wouldn't know, but I try to understand Allegri's decisions. I do like to see El Shaarawy as AM, so I can judge myself. So far I know El Shaarawy at least is a very good young forward. He clearly has a future as an forward. And as AM? Idunno/can't judge. He does have at least some nice attributes for it, so I guess he could become a good AM also, but I simply don't know. And maybe you guys are right he would be better AM than Emanuelson because of all the quality/skills El Shaarawy got (much more than Emanuelson). It could be because Milan's midfield is weak (in both defensive way and possession way) that he chose the safer (more defending) Emanuelson?

And obviously, Emanuelson is not a typical AM, and it has downsides to play him there. Though he really gives his all every minute, which is good, he simply is nothing more than an average player. Clearly Milan still has no proper typical AM, or it's the poor midfield why so no El Shaarawy, which is a shame.

Imo, he has none of the attributes required to play such a position, and I don't see our midfield as weak. We already deploy 2 DMs, 1 more than any other top side. That is more than enough, expecting the AM to also be some sort of runner/battler is just ridiculous and a bad small team mentality. You know, "better you run you @ss off and avoid defeat rather than trying to win" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

El Shaaraw, Robinho, etc. All are better AM options than Urby, Robinho works his @ss off far more than Urby. He's not even a striker, Allegri classifies him as such and imo, we need to keep him as far away from goal as possible. He's always beena cross between a winger and second striker, his best season was under Capello when he played him out wide on the left at Real. Simply because he removed that pressure of scoring, plus Robinho's runs are just integral to the attack. Last season his best spell came when he was used behind the strikers. El Shaa as well could have huge potential playing in the hole. Yet Allegri insists on a player who just last season was playing at LB/LW for Ajax, it's just laughable. And no matter what you say, you won't be able to justify it to anyone here, as everyone can see that Urby simply offers nothing for us in that position, he's a passenger for most of the game when he's played there

If you don't have enough midfielders defending, it will end up going badly. And with our poor midfielders, I think we need the AM to support the other midfielders and defenders in defending.

Leonardo had a very attacking Milan. There were too many players who didn't defend or at least not enough. As a result we were humilated over and over again against good sides.

If you demand only to attack from your AM and forwards, it looks nice against poor sides, but you get humilated against a good one. And we simply don't have the midfielders to have an AM who won't defend. Van Bommel gets very little support from his fellow midfielders when it comes to conquering the ball back, and then you got a problem. Because then it are the opponents who attack, and you with your attacking skilled players can look at them scoring goals. Yay!

You simply cannot make comparisons to Leo's Milan. That was an unbalanced, un-co-ordinated mess. Leo played a 4-3-3, with only Ambro covering the defence and Seedorf and Pirlo in midfield. That might have been ok in the Carlo days but 2 seasons ago, that was a big no no as none of those players could keep up with such demands a formation like that put upon them. Even worse, he played Pato and Dinho on the wings, neither of which are renowned hard workers.

On the other hand under Allegri we play with 2 DMs, one of which is VB, who reads the game far better than Ambro and than Nocerino who provides a lot of energy to the midfield. Add to that we play 4 in midfield, whether that Robinho/Urby/Prince or whoever else Allegri might decide to play there on any given day, it's still a 4 man midfield, we never play with 3 attackers, simply because whoever plays at AM is asked to hold his position and keep the midfield compact. This is why I always insist with you that whether the player has 'ST' next to his name like Robinho it just does not matter as his job decription becomes what Allegri requires of him when he's played in the hole

[KillerMax]

Stephan El Shaarawy is my new favorite player. I look forward to seeing a lot more from him.

[Danny]

Stephan El Shaarawy is my new favorite player. I look forward to seeing a lot more from him.

I liked him a lot last night. His touch for the opening goal was brilliant, and while it sorta deflected through, his through ball for the second was visionary.

He has a big chance to make it - definitely has the talent.

[Jack Sparrow]

Important he keeps his head on his shoulders. We ought to wrap him up in cotton wool.

[han2503]

Important he keeps his head on his shoulders. We ought to wrap him up in cotton wool.

Hopefully they don't ruin him like they've ruined Pato. They've already put him through one round of strength training. I just don't trust our medical team.

[il_diavolo_mtl]

http://football-italia.net/node/15082
nice (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[TriniKing_CE]

There ain't nothing wrong with being a mama's boy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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[William405]

Sharaawy might get a called up to the senior italian national team,since he wasn't called up for the U21 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Jack Bauer]

http://youtu.be/87T87zn6DJk

[Jack Bauer]

In NBA there's a term - 'rookie wall'. Meaning that after a hot start, a young player might experience some difficulties. I think El Sha hitting the rookie wall right now.

[acid911]

Well he did score in the last Coppa match, against Juventus. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) And besides, like they say, you don't get to the top by succeeding. You need to fail, too. And the more spectacularly the better. Failure is the new success! I still have big hopes for this guy, he needs to play every now and then, and find his way.

[amancik]

Well he did score in the last Coppa match, against Juventus. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) And besides, like they say, you don't get to the top by succeeding. You need to fail, too. And the more spectacularly the better. Failure is the new success! I still have big hopes for this guy, he needs to play every now and then, and find his way.

I agree that he's experiencing some difficulties, but it's not like he's been entirely useless in recent matches. It's just that the intensity of balancing UEFA CL, Serie A and Coppa Italia are too much for a young kid. But the fact that's he's been playing from the start shows that Allegri has faith that he will be somebody huge in the future.