[han2503]

I said defensive wise, and they are. Ambrosini played good until later in the match when he got tired. He should have been subbed off, because a tired Ambrosini you don't wanna have on the pitch. I don't understand why Allegri didn't sub off Ambrosini, but Van Bommel instead while the latter is suspended tomorrow and Ambrosini will start.

I prefer all of Ambrosini, Seedorf and Emanuelson to play as our anchor over Nocerino, I trust them all over him on the ball and when trying to make a sliding or tackle. Ambrosini played a full match last Wednesday, and tomorrow is our next. So maybe we can play Nocerino LCM, Seedorf anchor and Emanuelson RCM. So then Nocerino can still do his runs, unlike as anchor. Stats show not only his nice amount of goals, but also him making very few tackles.

He wasn't good before he got tired.

And I don't know why you don't count Nocerino as someone who contributes defensively. Sure under Allegri's system he makes a lot of runs into the box, but he's primarily a midfielder who breaks up plays for us, and it's what he did at Palermo as well.

You don't trust him on the ball? I don't see the sense in this statement as Nocerino has shown some great skill on the ball, he's very refined, while Ambro just stumbles over it.

Sure we can play Seedorf in the VB position and leave Nocerino and Urby in their usual positions, I said we should switch Nocerino and Seedorf around so we could get the best out of Seedorf for this match, as keeping possession and a good final pass will be crucial in this game

[drucurl]

Even in the middle of this ridiculous injury crisis we have to take stock of the most basic thought process clearly behind the hiring of the clueless one - i.e. his supposed resourcefulness. If he was so fantastic at getting results against superior teams with Cagliari why do we have to lower our expectations with an injury ravaged Milan? The players at our disposal atm bar one or two are much better than what they or even Udine can field.

[William405]

Your mistaken.

[CHU-LIP]

He wasn't good before he got tired.

And I don't know why you don't count Nocerino as someone who contributes defensively. Sure under Allegri's system he makes a lot of runs into the box, but he's primarily a midfielder who breaks up plays for us, and it's what he did at Palermo as well.

You don't trust him on the ball? I don't see the sense in this statement as Nocerino has shown some great skill on the ball, he's very refined, while Ambro just stumbles over it.

Sure we can play Seedorf in the VB position and leave Nocerino and Urby in their usual positions, I said we should switch Nocerino and Seedorf around so we could get the best out of Seedorf for this match, as keeping possession and a good final pass will be crucial in this game

I agree with the bold part. Ideally Seedorf wouldn't be our anchor.

Nocerino when having the ball under pressure deep in midfield I meant to say. Unsure about that. Maybe he can play anchor, but he has to put in more tackles then, be more alert defensive wise. Idunno. It's difficult to resemble a good midfield these days, that's for sure. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[milanbuf88]

Even in the middle of this ridiculous injury crisis we have to take stock of the most basic thought process clearly behind the hiring of the clueless one - i.e. his supposed resourcefulness. If he was so fantastic at getting results against superior teams with Cagliari why do we have to lower our expectations with an injury ravaged Milan? The players at our disposal atm bar one or two are much better than what they or even Udine can field.

Like usual, you're looking for a reason to insult Allegri. At Cagliari a draw against a top side was great at Milan that's not the case. Keep in mind that three of our four starting midfielders will be unavailable. If our old backups have an amazing half we might win but there is nearly zero chance that the oldies put together a solid 90 minutes.

[han2503]

I agree with the bold part. Ideally Seedorf wouldn't be our anchor.

Nocerino when having the ball under pressure deep in midfield I meant to say. Unsure about that. Maybe he can play anchor, but he has to put in more tackles then, be more alert defensive wise. Idunno. It's difficult to resemble a good midfield these days, that's for sure. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Anyway, we'll see, I'm sure Allegri will once again use Ambro and play Seedorf at AM, while one of Maxi, Rob or El Shaa sits out

[Fillipo Simone]

Anyway, we'll see, I'm sure Allegri will once again use Ambro and play Seedorf at AM, while one of Maxi, Rob or El Shaa sits out

I don't have anything against Robi sitting out for a while, he's been dreadful.

Ambrosini should come off the bench at this point. Udine are a fast switch team and after he's played the Coppa game, we need a fresher and more agile midfielder to start.

[acid911]

btw, I love how you guys are already thinking up excuses for Allegri should we lose. And you say we Allegri haters are desperate

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) As a neutral squarely in the middle, I'm quite enjoying this, to be honest. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) For me, Allegri is 50/50.

[han2503]

I don't have anything against Robi sitting out for a while, he's been dreadful.

Ambrosini should come off the bench at this point. Udine are a fast switch team and after he's played the Coppa game, we need a fresher and more agile midfielder to start.

Dreadful or not, I think we need him if we have any hope of trying to score (not through him but just in the buildup), especially now without Ibra.

Robinho is mostly bad when you push him close to goal, then he's bound to let you down, but as an AM behind El Shaa and Maxi I think he should be more than ok, certainly better than Seedorf who's been struggling terribly in that position.

Imo, if we want to get the best out of all of our players, we'll have to sacrifice some of Nocerino's performance and move him to the center. That way it will open up the left side for Seedorf and the AM slot for Robinho

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) As a neutral squarely in the middle, I'm quite enjoying this, to be honest. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) For me, Allegri is 50/50.

For me Allegri is 20/80. Imo this season he's just not asserted himself and made decisions that have affected this team positively. He's been hesistant, negative in his approach and just plain stubborn on certain issues.

I give him the 20% due to last season and the injuries that have restrained his decision making this season

[acid911]

Ha, I give him 50 marks still for last season's success, and him integrating a few younger players (whether by his own will or circumstances), willing to bench seniors every now and then (though don't quite agree how he handled Inzaghi), and well he learns from his mistakes, however slow that learning process is.

But truth be told, this Month From Hell should make or break Allegri's fate. I'm not sold on the man when it comes to his CL performances, and it seems to me the higher management isn't too. If he goes down then, I'll be in the 80/20 camp too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) Like I said a few days back, QF exit in Europe and 2nd place finish is what I expect.

Of course, he and the team is more than welcome to prove me wrong. At least win the Scudetto, Pete's sake.

[han2503]

Th Scudetto is still our's to lose, I simply cannot accept that we'll be letting this title slip to this Juve team!! They're not Capello's Juve FFS! They're an average team, they've lost a lot of points against the smaller sides, yet we cannot capitilise on that.

If we do not win the title than Allegri will be out 100% imo. And not just with fans, but I think Silvio will be rid of him as well

[kurtsimonw]

willing to bench seniors every now and then

It's something a lot of fans have been calling for, for a while. Thankfully Max fazed the older players out a little.

[acid911]

Th Scudetto is still our's to lose, I simply cannot accept that we'll be letting this title slip to this Juve team!! They're not Capello's Juve FFS! They're an average team, they've lost a lot of points against the smaller sides, yet we cannot capitilise on that.

I know, but you're still shortchanging this Juventus. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Sure it's not Capello's Juve, nowhere near it. But after spending years in the wilderness, going to Serie B and coming back, building a new stadium, signing a whole army of players, getting humiliated domestically and in Europe last season or two, these guys are back.

Not in "back" back, but this is a good Juventus team, one that knows what they are doing and fight throughout.

If we do not win the title than Allegri will be out 100% imo. And not just with fans, but I think Silvio will be rid of him as well

Can't argue there. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) A QF exit to Arsenal may hurt, may not hurt, but ending up 2nd or 3rd in the league will.

It's something a lot of fans have been calling for, for a while. Thankfully Max fazed the older players out a little.

Yup, procedural phasing out, but it's on. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I don't mind an odd game here and there, an appearance when we are winning comfortably, the last 10-20 minutes, good training and passing on their experience to youngsters, and more importantly, the seniors being ready in case of an injury crisis and playing their part when duty calls.

If you have a contract, might as well play. But only when needed. Not starting day in and day out. Good job, Max.

[han2503]

I know, but you're still shortchanging this Juventus. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Sure it's not Capello's Juve, nowhere near it. But after spending years in the wilderness, going to Serie B and coming back, building a new stadium, signing a whole army of players, getting humiliated domestically and in Europe last season or two, these guys are back.

Not in "back" back, but this is a good Juventus team, one that knows what they are doing and fight throughout.

No matter how good Juve have become now, we still have a far better overall team than they do.

Anyways, we'll see, it's February and while we are losing points against the top sides, Juve are doing the same against the bottom sides, with all the top sides still yet to be faced. But that head to head game will be a huge factor. If we can recover some of our injured starters we should be able to do it. No excuses!

[Guest_Suhail 3_*]

I would trade going to the semis in cl this season for winning the scudetto