[kurtsimonw]

You didn't,but you implied that a striker's main and most important function is scoring goals,no?And,it is a Pato has a very good goalscoring ratio.If you've also noticed he's been connecting with Ibrahimovic several times,it just needs some time...patnerships are not created after two,three games...etc...
Now,the thing is that you would want to sell Pato for 50million if the offer comes up,which I don't disagree with,it's a hige amount of money.But,your evaluation of Pato is simply too bias to be considered true.It's annoying how you pick a player,and constantly pick imo.I believe there is a minimum standard of objectivity when rating individuals.

My arguements for Pato are valid as far as I'm concerned. Problem is with the majority of people on MF (and I don't include Ash, X-Off and a few others in this) there's for too much of a bias towards most players to the extent they aren't even allowed to be criticised. You'd think after playing a dozen games and being **** in about 10 of them my criticism would be warranted, apparently not. I don't think I'm the one showing any bias here, but being Milan fans the majority on here do show too much bias towards players.

I find it funny you keep picking me up on scoring stats. Throw the stats out of the window then. What do you think of Pato's performances this season? Aside from the Chievo game and maybe 1 other he's been dreadful.

[han2503]

My arguements for Pato are valid as far as I'm concerned. Problem is with the majority of people on MF (and I don't include Ash, X-Off and a few others in this) there's for too much of a bias towards most players to the extent they aren't even allowed to be criticised. You'd think after playing a dozen games and being **** in about 10 of them my criticism would be warranted, apparently not. I don't think I'm the one showing any bias here, but being Milan fans the majority on here do show too much bias towards players.

I find it funny you keep picking me up on scoring stats. Throw the stats out of the window then. What do you think of Pato's performances this season? Aside from the Chievo game and maybe 1 other he's been dreadful.

In reality, from the forums I've been on there are very few who are criticising Pato. This is the only place where a couple of bad games suddenly erases all the good he's done, and not just Pato but it applies to a lot of players.

No one is denying that he's in bad form atm, but this is typical Pato, and he went through this phase last season as well. He will pick it up as usual and start scoring for fun for a couple of weeks than he'll get injured, it's a vicious cycle. The problem is not his abilities, or as you are implying the lack of abilities on his part, but the injuries. They've held him back a lot. But giving up on him now is still not the answer. We're lucky and have players like Ibra, Robs and Cassano who can pick up some of the slack when he's injured, we're not dependant on him, thus the management have the chance to give him the time he needs to get over the injuries.

[William405]

My arguements for Pato are valid as far as I'm concerned. Problem is with the majority of people on MF (and I don't include Ash, X-Off and a few others in this) there's for too much of a bias towards most players to the extent they aren't even allowed to be criticised. You'd think after playing a dozen games and being **** in about 10 of them my criticism would be warranted, apparently not. I don't think I'm the one showing any bias here, but being Milan fans the majority on here do show too much bias towards players.

I find it funny you keep picking me up on scoring stats. Throw the stats out of the window then. What do you think of Pato's performances this season? Aside from the Chievo game and maybe 1 other he's been dreadful.

I agree that he's not been in the greatest form,and we've had the argument about reason for that.And,I didn't say he is above criticism.The thing that we disagree about is that you think pato is a hopeless cause,while I don't.

[kurtsimonw]

I never said he's a hopeless cause. Why do people think that because I'd sell him for £50m that I think he's hopeless? I'll go on record as saying I would sell any of our players for that amount if it makes people happier. I just wasn't asked whether we'd sell Bonera for £50m, so I never felt the need to mention it.

[William405]

I never said he's a hopeless cause. Why do people think that because I'd sell him for £50m that I think he's hopeless? I'll go on record as saying I would sell any of our players for that amount if it makes people happier. I just wasn't asked whether we'd sell Bonera for £50m, so I never felt the need to mention it.

Um,So I don't know what were arguing on ...XD

[X-Offender]

@ x-off, as much as I can't be sure of Pato's future, neither can you. Just because YOU and another few here are tired of waiting for Pato to get over his injuries does not mean that the management are giving up on him.

This is the reason I didn't want to see this debate being started up again as it causes these sorts of arguments

I never said I know Pato's future. We've been simply discussing Pato's dreadful season and his possible departure given a potential offer from PSG. But apparently it's prohibited to criticize a fans' favorite player in here.

[Fillipo Simone]

Gee, Pato's missed more then half of all matches, yet you call it a dreadful season? Can't we actually wait and see till season end? And even more, if it turns out to be a bad season, can't we agree that such seasons happen?

[drucurl]

What the genius football pundits of this forum that advocate Pato’s sale conveniently overlook is that a LOT has changed in terms of how Milan is structured AND plays that has affected his performances.

Contrary to Kurt’s claim that top players function no matter the circumstance I can recall the examples of Kaka, iBra, Del Piero, Henry, Messi, $hevchenko etc who are the crème de la crème of football attackers who have looked absolutely abysmal in certain environments. Diego Forlan is perhaps the best example of a player who looked absolutely worthless in his first season for Manure (think Robinho’s finishing coupled with Torres’ luck) only to become a goalscoring fiend in La Liga.

Pato has had the injuries to contend with. This has taken a toll on his overall game. But while adjusting himself back into playing, he has to contend with the living off of iBra’s scraps. Truth is that he’s actually a second striker with good finishing ability….so good that he CAN play an out and out #9. Also let's not forget that neither is iBra a TRUE attacking mid so Pato won't have the service he had off say a Kaka or Ronaldinho

The biggest problem is that Allegri, unlike Ancelotti or Leonardo doesn’t have quite the faith in him as his predecessors. This isn’t entirely Allegri’s fault as Pato’s showing has been consistently inconsistent under Max. However without the, FREEDOM, PATIENCE and SUPPORT of a coach like either of his predecessors Pato won’t flourish. Think Henry at Juve, where ADP and Zidane were the main “go-to” guys and Henry was restricted to be a pure winger. Granted he has this skillset to be a decent to good winger but unless he plays HIS EXACT ROLE (i.e. wing FORWARD (LCF)) he won’t turn in the world class performances consistently.

The same goes for Pato. With the loss of confidence, he becomes overly rushed and it’s a mentally vicious cycle which I think to an extent explains his dramatic deterioration of his passing ability because you can see him rushing them if you watch our games. If you looked at $heva at C#el$ki you'd see the same phenomena. He is becoming worse and worse because if you watch him closely he’s rushing the passes and anticipating one-two’s in the most ridiculous situations because he wants to “get on with it”. Meanwhile iBra’s style is a more thoughtful one, partly because he has the freedom to play however he wants with all of the FREEDOM, PATIENCE, SUPPORT and dare I say FEAR of $#!tlegri.

We are now at a most unfortunate cross road where Pato has to adapt to the new big dog at Milan- iBra. It’s unfortunate because even iBra couldn’t adapt his entire game to fit in at Barca….and in spite of Kurt’s ridiculous definition he is still world class. It’s unfortunate to Pato because this was supposed to be his Milan but the silver lining is that if he does adapt then he will be a truly special player. It’s hard on Max too because you can’t blame him for taking the path of least resistance to success. It’s also heavily management’s fault for being so F()cking myopic and insisting on taking as many shortcuts to success. It isn’t 100% anybody’s fault although I’d blame this situation mostly on Allegri but I also understand his predicament since iBra is delivering the goods now.

This post has been edited by drucurl: Jan 10 2012, 05:36 PM

[William405]

So...it's Ibra's fault (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Problem solved everybody (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) .

This post has been edited by William405: Jan 10 2012, 05:51 PM

[kurtsimonw]

I have him on block, but I imagined his post would be something about defending Pato and then blaming it on Max and Ibra.

[X-Offender]

Gee, Pato's missed more then half of all matches, yet you call it a dreadful season? Can't we actually wait and see till season end? And even more, if it turns out to be a bad season, can't we agree that such seasons happen?

The fact he's missed half of all matches adds to the disappointment. We're not annoyed simply because of his inconsistence, but because of his constant injury proneness, too. I read a great article earlier which compared Pato to Ambrosini pre-2006, a player that psychologically suffers the pitch, every minimal trouble or pain, or some important and cumbersome teammate. We have to ask ourselves, what is Pato exactly? An excellent finisher, surely, but what kind of player? A phenomenon alla Ronaldo, an eternal prospect alla Denilson, a prolific goalscorer alla Sheva, or an illusion that's lasting for a few seasons alla Milito? To render a prospect a player, a player a champion and a champion a phenomenon, it's not enough to have an average goalscoring ratio in every two games, a here and there acceleration, a goal scored in some famous stadium, or a brace in a Derby. What's important is the head, the charisma, and the attributes. Is Pato that kind of a player? Think it over carefully.

This post has been edited by X-Offender: Jan 10 2012, 06:18 PM

[il_diavolo_mtl]

I have him on block, but I imagined his post would be something about defending Pato and then blaming it on Max and Ibra.

spot on (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[drucurl]

Wow such a high level intensity trolling requires a lot of effort to supplement you guys' undoubted natural talent. Kinda the lesson Pato has to learn (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[Zed.D]

The fact he's missed half of all matches adds to the disappointment. We're not annoyed simply because of his inconsistence, but because of his constant injury proneness, too. I read a great article earlier which compared Pato to Ambrosini pre-2006, a player that psychologically suffers the pitch, every minimal trouble or pain, or some important and cumbersome teammate. We have to ask ourselves, what is Pato exactly? An excellent finisher, surely, but what kind of player? A phenomenon alla Ronaldo, an eternal prospect alla Denilson, a prolific goalscorer alla Sheva, or an illusion that's lasting for a few seasons alla Milito? To render a prospect a player, a player a champion and a champion a phenomenon, it's not enough to have an average goalscoring ratio in every two games, a here and there acceleration, a goal scored in some famous stadium, or a brace in a Derby. What's important is the head, the charisma, and the attributes. Is Pato that kind of a player? Think it over carefully.

LOL such a weak memory on you Pato naysayers. where were you during the 2008-09 season? he performed consistently and brilliantly that season, the season which was coincidentally his only injury-free run. and by injury I mean this chronic thigh problem which started from 2009-10, when he gained weight and became big. you can say all you want, but it's clear as daylight that he was physically mistreated and since then hasn't been able to get back to the player that got everyone excited. and the thing is he was far from terrible last season despite those grave injuries that kept him out for weeks. this is the first season where he truly has failed to make any impact [so far] and some on you have been on the Get Rid of Pato bandwagon for a couple of months already. makes me wonder.

[X-Offender]

LOL such a weak memory on you Pato naysayers. where were you during the 2008-09 season? he performed consistently and brilliantly that season, the season which was coincidentally his only injury-free run. and by injury I mean this chronic thigh problem which started from 2009-10, when he gained weight and became big. you can say all you want, but it's clear as daylight that he was physically mistreated and since then hasn't been able to get back to the player that got everyone excited. and the thing is he was far from terrible last season despite those grave injuries that kept him out for weeks. this is the first season where he truly has failed to make any impact [so far] and some on you have been on the Get Rid of Pato bandwagon for a couple of months already. makes me wonder.

Not impressed. He had a decent season then, but so did Borriello under Leonardo. I've never considered Pato's overall performances so far something to be proud of. What's kept my faith intact was the belief that sooner or later he'd thrive and become a kick-*** player alla Messi and Ronaldo. However, it's not that my patience's reached a limit. It's just that I can't see Pato becoming more than an average striker with a decent goalscoring ratio, and you can find plenty of those in every league. That's why, considering a potential big offer from PSG, I'd sell him on the spot and invest those money on someone else instead.