[X-Offender]

Ye.... not quite yet.... lolzzzzzzzzzzzz

If you can't see the difference between a midfield lead by one of the best playmakers, and two footed also, Sneijder, and a forward who is capable of some playmaking, with having a midfield with close to zero creativity (even Inter's midfield with Sneijder often missed creativity, let alone if Van Bommel is your most creative midfielder, and at the same time the most defensive one), then I'm sorry, but it's not good for my health to continue this.

Actually, Ibra has much more vision than Sneijder, but yeah, Sneijder is more suitable since he's a proper trequartista. You do have a point, but like I said, it's worth trying.

[han2503]

@ Chu, I'm really not going to bother writting a huge post, you're trying to tell me that dropping Aquilani is a terrible idea, while insisting on a combative player to be played in a position which neccessitates a creative player.

Many teams play without a creative player in the midfield 3, we're not talking about Barcelona here. If you have that much creative power in attack than a strong midfield who will transition the ball quickly to those attackers is what's needed. And it's not like VB, Boateng and Nocerino are complete headless chickens on the ball, they're not Ambro/Rino type of players where they cannot do anything with the ball aside from pass it a meter or so sideways.

[CHU-LIP]

@ Chu, I'm really not going to bother writting a huge post, you're trying to tell me that dropping Aquilani is a terrible idea, while insisting on a combative player to be played in a position which neccessitates a creative player.

There is a creative player needed, but in midfield there's not? Right on...

And what teams play with no creative mids?

[han2503]

There is a creative player needed, but in midfield there's not? Right on...

And what teams play with no creative mids?

I didn't say there is no creative player needed. Our midfield for me is the diamond i.e those 4 players. And the position that neccessitates a creative player the most is being filled up by a box-to-box guy.

The 3 man midfield can do without a creative player, but the AM position can not, and this is what we're doing and why we rely so much on the strikers to create the goals.

In an ideal world, Aquilani would be ok playing behind the strikers so Boateng can be moved back, this is not the case. So Boateng is being lumped into a position where he's wasted as a player while for the team it works in a negative way because he doesn't provide proper support. And I don't know if you've noticed this, but the type of goals he used to score last season have stopped, simply because it's not as easy as it was for him last season to run into the box from that position since teams know how to mark him out and push him wide. Thus by coming in from a deeper position he would be harder to mark, (like Nocerino, who gives teams headaches running into the box from deep, imagine Boateng with his better speed, shooting, skills; doing what Nocerino does)

Also, last time I checked you didn't care about what other teams did... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif)

[X-Offender]

And it's not like VB, Boateng and Nocerino are complete headless chickens on the ball, they're not Ambro/Rino type of players where they cannot do anything with the ball aside from pass it a meter or so sideways.

This. I'm pretty sure MvB, Noce and Boa can move the ball without problems. They might not provide the usual long pass or through ball, but they're pretty skilled players, so it wouldn't be a problem playing them together.

[CHU-LIP]

The 3 man midfield can do without a creative player, but the AM position can not, and this is what we're doing and why we rely so much on the strikers to create the goals.

The AM is not an AM anymore when it's Ibrahimovic. Then it's a forward. I believe any good team has a creative midfielder. You didn't answer my question what team plays without a creative mid. I think you didn't because you think. Try to prove me wrong.

Also, last time I checked you didn't care about what other teams did... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif)

I don't. You guys are the one who want this line-up without a creative mid because apparently other teams also have no creative mid in midfield three. I am the one who doesn't want to try this out you guys are suggesting. You guys are the ones who want to because other teams play with three forwards. So it seems like your blind, so I gonna say it in caps: YOU GUYS CARE ABOUT WHAT OTHER TEAMS DO, I DO NOT.

[Fillipo Simone]

Every team is different. Sure, we should study our opponents and learn from them, but that does not mean we've got to copy them and kill our innovates.

[han2503]

The AM is not an AM anymore when it's Ibrahimovic. Then it's a forward. I believe any good team has a creative midfielder. You didn't answer my question what team plays without a creative mid. I think you didn't because you think. Try to prove me wrong.


I don't. You guys are the one who want this line-up without a creative mid because apparently other teams also have no creative mid in midfield three. I am the one who doesn't want to try this out you guys are suggesting. You guys are the ones who want to because other teams play with three forwards. So it seems like your blind, so I gonna say it in caps: YOU GUYS CARE ABOUT WHAT OTHER TEAMS DO, I DO NOT.

In one line you're saying you don't care about what other teams are doing and in the other you're asking me to name which team plays without a creative midfielder. I don't feel like I have to answer it since you're contradicting yourself and twisting it to suite your own argument.

As for Ibra, Tevez and Pato, Tevez and Ibra are very creative forwards, who work twice as hard as most other AMs. If we play the diamond than whoever plays in the hole will form part of he midfield, just like Robinho does when he plays there, simply because that is Allegri's system.

Simply insisting on Boateng to keep playing the AM position won't take us anywhere as he's just not doing what needs to be done from an AM.

[CHU-LIP]

In one line you're saying you don't care about what other teams are doing and in the other you're asking me to name which team plays without a creative midfielder. I don't feel like I have to answer it since you're contradicting yourself and twisting it to suite your own argument.

I'm not contradicting myself, you are being extremely stupid.

The only reason I asked that is because you say there are teams that do that: which is an attempt by you proving your own point. Now, I didn't believe that was a good point. So I asked you to name an example, so that either you couldn't or I could use your example against you again.

And you still didn't answer it, lolz. To me you only prove you talk out of your butt.

Can't feel bothered to read the rest if you're being that stupid.

[Jack Sparrow]

Errr....attack the post..not the poster buddy. You need to tone it down a bit.

[han2503]

I'm not contradicting myself, you are being extremely stupid.

The only reason I asked that is because you say there are teams that do that: which is an attempt by you proving your own point. Now, I didn't believe that was a good point. So I asked you to name an example, so that either you couldn't or I could use your example against you again.

And you still didn't answer it, lolz. To me you only prove you talk out of your butt.

Can't feel bothered to read the rest if you're being that stupid.

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To your entire post. Nice try at insulting me. I won't retaliate with my own jibe as that would mean dropping to your level. Piece out, talk to me when you want to debate like an adult instead of a child throwing insults when he's backed into a corner (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[CHU-LIP]

You really think I was trying to insult you?

Lolzzzz... all I said is you were being stupid... BEING stupid, oh noes, the horror, the pain......

But if I can't even make a proper discussion with han anymore on here. Then my time here has past.

[han2503]

You really think I was trying to insult you?

Lolzzzz... all I said is you were being stupid... BEING stupid, oh noes, the horror, the pain......

But if I can't even make a proper discussion with han anymore on here. Then my time here has past.

Calling someone stupid is always an insult. Just because you're not agreeing with me does not mean I'm stupid, especially seeing as most posters agreed with the line-up posted by x-off, and that is what we're discussing atm. Does that mean all those people are stupid because they don't view things as you do??

You're the one that reduced the discussion to petty insults my friend. If you cannot handle someone disagreeing with you than obviously you shouldn't be on a forum since it is built on people having differing oppinions and discussing those different oppinion ins a civilised manner

[William405]

Both formations are feasable,it's not a right and wrong situation IMO.It depends on some factors:

-Boateng might not get accustomed to his new role,or he might explode.
-Tevez or Ibra might not go back and work hard as much as we need them to.
-Allegri:assuring that the system would work well and efficiently with balance.

Our current tactics aren't that bad,but having a plan B also will not hurt.A formation for the champions leauge and a formation for the leauge.The formation with Boateng as attacking midfield provides us with a high work rate formation,and depends on the creativity of our strikers,and the insertions from midfield.

While,with the 4-3-3,the balance might decrease a bit.But,hey...Ibrahimovic has been everywhere for us this season.He defends on corners,pressures defenders,goes back on freekicks...And no matter how much Kurt keeps harping about Tevez's personality;his work-rate on the field,and willingness to work for the team is second to none.(when he actually gets on the field ;p)

To sum it up,both are good formations.And,it would be nice if we can alternate them depending on the opponent.

Hope this settles it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[han2503]

Both formations are feasable,it's not a right and wrong situation IMO.It depends on some factors:

-Boateng might not get accustomed to his new role,or he might explode.
-Tevez or Ibra might not go back and work hard as much as we need them to.
-Allegri:assuring that the system would work well and efficiently with balance.

Our current tactics aren't that bad,but having a plan B also will not hurt.A formation for the champions leauge and a formation for the leauge.The formation with Boateng as attacking midfield provides us with a high work rate formation,and depends on the creativity of our strikers,and the insertions from midfield.

While,with the 4-3-3,the balance might decrease a bit.But,hey...Ibrahimovic has been everywhere for us this season.He defends on corners,pressures defenders,goes back on freekicks...And no matter how much Kurt keeps harping about Tevez's personality;his work-rate on the field,and willingness to work for the team is second to none.(when he actually gets on the field ;p)

To sum it up,both are good formations.And,it would be nice if we can alternate them depending on the opponent.

Hope this settles it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Sure, but apparently you're stupid for thinking the formation x-off posted would work (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)