[Fillipo Simone]

Strasser and Calvano.

Again Calvano. Don't you think he would have been picked by Allegri for the CL list if he was any good? How many times did you watch Calvano play?

How is Ambro useful exactly? He's just not anymore, it's plain as day, maybe he doesn't make it obvious as Rino does by tackling Nesta, but the fact that I only notice that he's on the pitch when he's fouling someone says it all. Why keep him? He'll help in the dressing room? If we want someone to help in the dressing room then it would be more feasable to keep Rino then Ambro, at least he motivates the team more then Ambro does.

May it be...but you skip the Flamini part. I'm talking about him, and not Ambro or Rino which you mixed into this discussion.

You see what I mean? I ask you about Flamini, and here you go again talking about Ambro. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Let's be fair. You don't like Ambro, I don't like Flamini. Both are getting more and more useless. I've got a fixation on team captains and value him to the right end only because of this, and because I still can see his contribution. What's your excuse for Flamini (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) ?

Also, he's not a financial burden? Check again, he earns more then the majority of our best players. And that is the most ridiculous thing I saw in that wage list next to Rino earning a hefty 4m rolleyes.gif

Now you're being unfair. Sorry the most ridiculous thing beside Rino, or even above Gattuso's wages, is Flamini.

[han2503]

You see what I mean? I ask you about Flamini, and here you go again talking about Ambro. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Let's be fair. You don't like Ambro, I don't like Flamini. Both are getting more and more useless. I've got a fixation on team captains and value him to the right end only because of this, and because I still can see his contribution. What's your excuse for Flamini (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) ?


Now you're being unfair. Sorry the most ridiculous thing beside Rino, or even above Gattuso's wages, is Flamini.

My only excuse is that these days, he's better. It's simple really, it shouldn't be a rocket science, and if we're going to keep one of the 3, then that has to be Flamini

Flamini's wages were justified when we brought him, it's the club's probem that they didn't re-negotiate a longer and less financially weighing contract with him. Ambro and Rino's deals have recently been renewed. And that is why it's so ridiciulous. Giving Ambro that kind of money when Nesta accepted the 2m deal.

[Fillipo Simone]

Flamini's wages were justified when we brought him, it's the club's probem that they didn't re-negotiate a longer and less financially weighing contract with him. Ambro and Rino's deals have recently been renewed. And that is why it's so ridiciulous. Giving Ambro that kind of money when Nesta accepted the 2m deal.

You see, again you're not objective enough. How come Flamini's wage is the clubs problem, but Ambro and Rino's isn't? Doesn't make any sense. But yes, I do know why Matteo has such a darn wage sum. But anyway,...

My only excuse is that these days, he's better. It's simple really, it shouldn't be a rocket science, and if we're going to keep one of the 3, then that has to be Flamini

Naah, that's a very very lame excuse, near to the one I made for Ambro. In fact, let me play a bit with you logic: Ambro is useless but Flamini isn't because he's better then useless. So, if you exclude Ambro from the equation, you've got Flamini who's the worst of all (not counting Rino for anything). And then what?

Again, my point is Flamini is okay, but why bother with a reconvalescent DM that never showed up and negotiate a reduced wage when you can easily find an replacement for him?

[han2503]

You see, again you're not objective enough. How come Flamini's wage is the clubs problem, but Ambro and Rino's isn't? Doesn't make any sense. But yes, I do know why Matteo has such a darn wage sum. But anyway,...


Naah, that's a very very lame excuse, near to the one I made for Ambro. In fact, let me play a bit with you logic: Ambro is useless but Flamini isn't because he's better then useless. So, if you exclude Ambro from the equation, you've got Flamini who's the worst of all (not counting Rino for anything). And then what?

Again, my point is Flamini is okay, but why bother with a reconvalescent DM that never showed up and negotiate a reduced wage when you can easily find an replacement for him?

All of it is the club's problem at the end of the day, but Ambro's contract was just renewed with that amount, while Flamini always had that deal since he came for free. Giving Ambro and Rino those kind of contracts were huge mistakes, giving them 3m while they sit on the bench or make idots out of themselves on the pitch.

Next summer we could be looking at some major changes, signing on Flamini would mean one less headache since we'll need to buy at least 5 players imo if we want to be competitive, especially if Zambro, Seedorf and Nesta don't renew

[CHU-LIP]

Again Calvano. Don't you think he would have been picked by Allegri for the CL list if he was any good? How many times did you watch Calvano play?

Does this mean you agree on Strasser? So that's 1 already, which I find a shame already the little he has played for Milan so far (and will since he won't this season) because of such players we are mentioning. So we got 1 or 2, that's enough reason already. Who wants to see Gattuso struggling rather than seeing Strasser play and develop?

Calvano doesn't have to be on the CL list, he fits in the youth list so he can play anyway. So that really says literally nothing. I have seen Calvano close to never, but it's based on what I hear from others and Allegri does have included him sometimes in the squad. He's still very young and simply is seen as a promising player. Nothing more or less. It's not like I say he has world class potential or so. But there must be a reason why I often hear he is either the most promising and/or best Primavera player or one of the.

Though as long as a young player haven't had some games for the firs team you never can say too much. It's one thing to do well in Primavera and an other for the first team. So he simply must get his chance to show it at Milan's first team, and then we can judge him. In Primavera he apparently earned to get that chance, and there are not much better opportunities for that then when facing a team like Lecce.

But even without Calvano, we got Strasser who I do know, and I rate him. Van Bommel (if he keeps it up), Nocerino and Strasser are already three DM's should be in Milan's squad next season. And if Van Bommel doesn't keep it up and leaves, we must sign a replacement for him anyway. So we keep 3, and the 4th simply would be pointless to be a signing or declining players like Gattuso and Ambrosini. Better use your most promosing DM from Primevara then, those few times he is needed anyway. The more chances you give to your youngsters the better chance you have at raising excellent players yourself. We do that too little now. So many old players from which many are not obvious better than young players, or may be even worse. No, if it's that close, go for young, since they will become better and actually need to play to be able to become better.

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[Fillipo Simone]

I think Seedorf could very well be playing his last season, not only with Milan, but in football general. Nesta and Zambro should renew, we need them around, especially if Ambro, Rino and Clarence won't be around.

Yes, it might appear handy keeping Flamini, but only with a substantially reduced wage. What about Abbiati, he ain't gonna be there for ever as well? Yes, next summer will be crucial, and I hope our financial situation won't lead us into a position were we are forced to sign extensions rather then replace the veterans.

[X-Offender]

Thing is - I'd like Ambro to stay as much as he's up to; he is still our captain.

And? If a hypothetical worst player in the world existed and he was our captain, would you still want him to remain? Ambrosini is no Baresi or Maldini, his departure wouldn't really cause any turmoil inside the locker room. I'd rather have Nesta wear the armband, he truly is the finest example of a true rossonero captain.

[Hamburger]

Great! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

[Fillipo Simone]

And? If a hypothetical worst player in the world existed and he was our captain, would you still want him to remain? Ambrosini is no Baresi or Maldini, his departure wouldn't really cause any turmoil inside the locker room. I'd rather have Nesta wear the armband, he truly is the finest example of a true rossonero captain.

Next season there's the possibility of loosing both Rino and Ambro as captain. I think Ambro's role has been always underestimated. Sure he ain't Baresi and Maldini, but who is? Nesta never seemed be comfortable as Milan captain, I think it's a Lazio story. Then you have Clarence who'll be leaving also maybe. And after Nesta, which isn't that far away, I don't see a possible candidate.

[il_diavolo_mtl]

Next season there's the possibility of loosing both Rino and Ambro as captain. I think Ambro's role has been always underestimated. Sure he ain't Baresi and Maldini, but who is? Nesta never seemed be comfortable as Milan captain, I think it's a Lazio story. Then you have Clarence who'll be leaving also maybe. And after Nesta, which isn't that far away, I don't see a possible candidate.

Merkel

[Fillipo Simone]

Merkel

You must be joking, right?

[acid911]

You must be joking, right?

I have no reasons to believe he isn't. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) In fact, I'd be very surprised if Merkel ever wears the armband. Even if the guy playes regularly we'll probably sign up an Italian NT starter or two that will get the nod ahead of him mosf of the time. But yeah, our captaincy mojo is running very low these past few years - I dread to think what the future holds.

[il_diavolo_mtl]

You must be joking, right?

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[Rossoneri7]

I have no reasons to believe he isn't. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) In fact, I'd be very surprised if Merkel ever wears the armband. Even if the guy playes regularly we'll probably sign up an Italian NT starter or two that will get the nod ahead of him mosf of the time. But yeah, our captaincy mojo is running very low these past few years - I dread to think what the future holds.

I think the club is rather stable, we might not win season in - season out, and we might not be the club with multimillion stacked up as transfer kitty .. But we are the club that has a very stable management, which has been very rational and you never feel any sense urgency from the club's hierarchy.

Milan has been through some rough patches, yet this management has always proved that the wind will still blow against the sail's of this club. There will always be moments of transition, but also there will be moments of success. Hence I don't think you should be anxious about what the future holds (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[X-Offender]

I think the club is rather stable, we might not win season in - season out, and we might not be the club with multimillion stacked up as transfer kitty .. But we are the club that has a very stable management, which has been very rational and you never feel any sense urgency from the club's hierarchy.

Milan has been through some rough patches, yet this management has always proved that the wind will still blow against the sail's of this club. There will always be moments of transition, but also there will be moments of success. Hence I don't think you should be anxious about what the future holds (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Ho ho, saying our management has been stable is going overboard, mate. Sure, we're not as deep in financial problems as, say, Inter or Manchester City, but the last 3-4 years have been anything but satisfying. Of course, like you said, there will always be moments of transition, but to me it looks like we're stuck in that we can't seem to ensure a promising future to ourselves. We're still holding onto legends of the past decade. I dread the possibility that our board could once again renew the contracts of those players that should have already been let go this summer. And such a possibility is directly related to the fact that we barely invest any longer. We always look for cheap options and leftovers. Our determination in being the great AC Milan has gone down the drain. Now we're just struggling to survive as a club.