[Fillipo Simone]

Well, if you reduce all discussion to that question, very few things matter.

[Rossoneri7]

Ok, but something like this on 'MF' would drag on for 2 pages (as it just did) ... And does it bear anything fruitful ?

[Fillipo Simone]

Two pages? I see 4 posts related to that topic. Whether it is fruitful or not is hard to tell, but again, this reduction could easily lead us to the conclusion that 80% of the talk is not fruitful.

[drucurl]

look guys I'm not here to hate. The truth is there is as much reason to love Pirlo as there is to hate him. His fans choose to see mainly the former his detractors mainly the latter. When I think of world class CM's he doesn't spring to mind at all. Without our red and black tinted glasses he was a VERY limited player whose skillset only deteriorated with time.


To compare him to Steven Gerrard, Scholes, Lamps, Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas etc is ludicrous! His languid style and nonchalant approach grew more and more upsetting as his productive and creative output diminished. Also he was NEVER one to assert his authority on a match or help us up when we were down. Hell he never even seemed to care when his plethora of silly backpasses put us under threat. I actuallý was a fan of hi before the Arsenal game in 2008. But he was SO awful then and wasted sooooo many freekicks for a supposed Maestro that I could never see him as deserving of wearing our shirt

[han2503]

look guys I'm not here to hate. The truth is there is as much reason to love Pirlo as there is to hate him. His fans choose to see mainly the former his detractors mainly the latter. When I think of world class CM's he doesn't spring to mind at all. Without our red and black tinted glasses he was a VERY limited player whose skillset only deteriorated with time.


To compare him to Steven Gerrard, Scholes, Lamps, Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas etc is ludicrous! His languid style and nonchalant approach grew more and more upsetting as his productive and creative output diminished. Also he was NEVER one to assert his authority on a match or help us up when we were down. Hell he never even seemed to care when his plethora of silly backpasses put us under threat. I actuallý was a fan of hi before the Arsenal game in 2008. But he was SO awful then and wasted sooooo many freekicks for a supposed Maestro that I could never see him as deserving of wearing our shirt

Gerrard, Scholes, Lampard, Fabregas? REALLY? Those guys would kill to achieve what Pirlo has in his long illustrious carreer. Sure, his performances these last 2 seasons have wained, mainly due to the bulk of the workload being thrown on his shoulders since Rino and Ambro are barely even players anymore. But you can't really compare.

At his peak, Pirlo was, along with Xavi, one of the best mids in Europe, simple. Don't try to twist it around.

And still even now, he's still one of the classiest midfielders out there.

You don't like his languid style of play? Fine fair enough. But just say that and be done with it, don't try to make him out to be cr@p when he's so far from that it's ridiculous that people, including myself, are bothering to reply to such nonsense. Some people don't like Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas' tiki taka style, they still admit to them being great players.

[d'Arc.LP]

Can't wait to see him playing for Juventus. And I'd like him to score a nice free-kick against us. But of course with us winning by 2-1 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[han2503]

Can't wait to see him playing for Juventus. And I'd like him to score a nice free-kick against us. But of course with us winning by 2-1 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

He'll be fine at Juve. He'll get to play where he feels comfortable as well as having support due to the midfield runners Juve have.

And if we cannot find adequate replacement for him, then we'll be the ones who'll take the hit since atm we have zero creativity in the team

[Fillipo Simone]

Gerrard, Scholes, Lampard, Fabregas? REALLY? Those guys would kill to achieve what Pirlo has in his long illustrious carreer. Sure, his performances these last 2 seasons have wained, mainly due to the bulk of the workload being thrown on his shoulders since Rino and Ambro are barely even players anymore. But you can't really compare.

As much as I agree and always have regarding your opinion on Pirlo, it's unfair saying what you've said - especially to Ambrosini. Last season was a very bad one, but prior to that Ambrosini simply did not look like a footballer who's "barely a player". It's getting a bit out of hand, this Gattuso and Ambrosini bashing. Sure, they're old and shabby, probably have also only a few tricks to show and give to Milan (if even that), but too much is too much.

[han2503]

As much as I agree and always have regarding your opinion on Pirlo, it's unfair saying what you've said - especially to Ambrosini. Last season was a very bad one, but prior to that Ambrosini simply did not look like a footballer who's "barely a player". It's getting a bit out of hand, this Gattuso and Ambrosini bashing. Sure, they're old and shabby, probably have also only a few tricks to show and give to Milan (if even that), but too much is too much.

Ambro played half a good season under Leo. It's really not that unfair of a statement. While Rino has been barely hanging on for years now.

Just look at how they supported Pirlo previously (Rino especially) and how they supported Pirlo these past 2 seasons. It really says it all. You can't have a player like Pirlo who is all about ball movement not being supported by strong midfielders. That was always the case before, hence our success in the CL and Serie A under Carlo and Italy's success at the WC.

[Fillipo Simone]

Well, they are all aged, but I don't tend to criticize them so hard or harsh. All three, including Pirlo, regressed and deteriorated. The answer isn't as simple as: "Gattuso and Ambro are finished, therefore Pirlo wasn't that good".

But that's normal. Pirlo still is a great player and any team can make benefit out of him, while Ambrosini and Gattuso have little left.

[han2503]

Well, they are all aged, but I don't tend to criticize them so hard or harsh. All three, including Pirlo, regressed and deteriorated. The answer isn't as simple as: "Gattuso and Ambro are finished, therefore Pirlo wasn't that good".

But that's normal. Pirlo still is a great player and any team can make benefit out of him, while Ambrosini and Gattuso have little left.

I'm not placing all the blame on them, it was other reasons, such as Pirlo himself, which is only normal for a player to decline when he reaches the age Pirlo is at, but tactically, neither Leo, nor Allegri knew how to handle Pirlo. And with Rino and Ambro's rapid decline it was made worse since Pirlo was never a defensive player but played in a defensive position, and was left practically without any cover

[Fillipo Simone]

Now we agree (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[han2503]

Now we agree (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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I now I took it to the extreme saying it was solely Ambro and Rino's faults in the first post, but when you have people saying he's garbage, you have no choice but to take it to such extremes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[Fillipo Simone]

Naah, I disregard it easily. People are overall hypercritical these days, mostly inexperienced and with no sense or respect for past times. It's actually very common these days.

[X-Offender]

Naah, I disregard it easily. People are overall hypercritical these days, mostly inexperienced and with no sense or respect for past times. It's actually very common these days.

Oink oink, wink wink.