[William405]

Pirlo in tears greeted the team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0eTV4HnWRk

Thanks for the video,emotional...

[han2503]

Srill cannot accept this. We've renewed with every damn player, even the ones not good enough and not worthy but we're letting Pirlo go like yesterday's trash. And the only finger I can point to in this situation is Allegri.

[X-Offender]

If Pirlo leaving means someone younger and better coming in (i.e. Ganso, Fabregas, Pastore etc.), I'm all for it.

[Fillipo Simone]

Srill cannot accept this. We've renewed with every damn player, even the ones not good enough and not worthy but we're letting Pirlo go like yesterday's trash. And the only finger I can point to in this situation is Allegri.

Well, Andrea is the only player that can still achieve something in a new environment and play a important role. The others - well - they have to choose between Brazil, Russia, who know where and Milan. Normally the pick Milan.

On the other hand, Andrea of all people got out of favor with Allegri, while Rino and Clarence still feel their contribution.

[Fillipo Simone]

If Pirlo leaving means someone younger and better coming in (i.e. Ganso, Fabregas, Pastore etc.), I'm all for it.

You see, I really cannot tell why Ganso or even Pastore would be better. They are different players and nowadays miles away from where Pirlo is. Maybe they can become someday like him, but if it was up to me, I'd keep Andrea and bring in a future replacement.

[Dracoris]

I think you guys missed the part where Milan wanted to keep him, just as a sub. I also think you guys missed the part where in the past 3 years we've won more games without him.

Its one thing to think with your heart, but its another thing to think with stats and your ol' noggin. We will all miss Andrea, but the fact of the matter is were better off without him. That SUCKS, but its true.

[han2503]

I think you guys missed the part where Milan wanted to keep him, just as a sub. I also think you guys missed the part where in the past 3 years we've won more games without him.

Its one thing to think with your heart, but its another thing to think with stats and your ol' noggin. We will all miss Andrea, but the fact of the matter is were better off without him. That SUCKS, but its true.

Please show me those statistics

[Dracoris]

Ah drat! You got me Han! I guess I'll change my mind now and you were right this whole time.

Not.



http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial...ant-theres-life

"He was injured" -- He was healthy enough to play 4 more games than Van Bommel.

"He wins us more games" -- With 4 more games than having a true DM we scored less, and conceded more. A LOT more.

"He was good on the left" -- Maybe so, but we still won MORE games without him.

This post has been edited by Dracoris: May 20 2011, 09:08 PM

[Fillipo Simone]

So much nonsense, I really cannot believe my eyes.

Firstly, why do you and Chu repeat that one "statistic fact" like a broke record? Is that some kind of ultimate stat that tells you everything? Don't you see that the problem lies in positioning Pirlo and the fact that our coach simply cannot find a suitable position for Andrea, and nothing else? Did we loose those matches because of Pirlo? Finally, you honestly believe Pirlo isn't worth giving more time and more chances? Up till now Andrea has performed with outstanding results for Milan. This season he had a bad injury that got also prolonged, and a new coach to deal with which had another vision in mind. Why can't we acknowledge all these points in favor of Pirlo, like everyone does when Pato is concerned?

And finally, for how long should Mark van Bommel be our solution? One season long? And then what?
Ahhh, I rest my case - but remember this post next season when we play a team like Parma or Bologna and Milan misses creativity. Cause that's what will most likely happen if you rely on Bommel as a creative force.

[CHU-LIP]

I think you guys missed the part where Milan wanted to keep him, just as a sub. I also think you guys missed the part where in the past 3 years we've won more games without him.

Its one thing to think with your heart, but its another thing to think with stats and your ol' noggin. We will all miss Andrea, but the fact of the matter is were better off without him. That SUCKS, but its true.

Nice post.

And I'm sorry that my posts were not always very gentle towards Pirlo, but I'm just really happy to see him leave for the sake of Milan. In a way I'm just very disappointed in Pirlo, who once was an amazing midfielder, but not anymore.

This post has been edited by CHU-LIP: May 20 2011, 10:22 PM

[Dracoris]

So much nonsense, I really cannot believe my eyes.

Firstly, why do you and Chu repeat that one "statistic fact" like a broke record? Is that some kind of ultimate stat that tells you everything? Don't you see that the problem lies in positioning Pirlo and the fact that our coach simply cannot find a suitable position for Andrea, and nothing else? Did we loose those matches because of Pirlo? Finally, you honestly believe Pirlo isn't worth giving more time and more chances? Up till now Andrea has performed with outstanding results for Milan. This season he had a bad injury that got also prolonged, and a new coach to deal with which had another vision in mind. Why can't we acknowledge all these points in favor of Pirlo, like everyone does when Pato is concerned?

And finally, for how long should Mark van Bommel be our solution? One season long? And then what?
Ahhh, I rest my case - but remember this post next season when we play a team like Parma or Bologna and Milan misses creativity. Cause that's what will most likely happen if you rely on Bommel as a creative force.

Yea, I'll remember this post when we win the Scudetto again.


Bold 1: All signs point to yes. 18 goals conceded. 18!! Is this an invisible number to you guys?

Bold 2: What on earth? Who said Van Bommel was going to be our creative force?

You rest your case? Ok, so we keep Andrea. Thats a solution of some kind? How long is that a solution? One Season? Ahh, I rest my case.

We need to buy players, thats obvious. Look through the nostalgia and the happy memories, just like we had to do with Kaka, to see that the player is not what he once was, period.

[Fillipo Simone]

Yea, I'll remember this post when we win the Scudetto again.

Are you sure? Why? Can you tell the competition will be as weak as this year?

I've read posts who count Bommel as a creative force also. Pirlo can play for at least 3 more years on top level, while Bommel is 2 years and a few months older. You think he'll stay that way until what, 37?

Pirlo could have been what Rui was to Kaka.
But I really have nothing to add, I'm getting tired of defending Pirlo. I really isn't necessary.

[CHU-LIP]

Van Bommel is a great player to have, really a blessing to have him in front of the defense, but that doesn't mean he should be the creative force, no, we need a new player for - the one replacing Pirlo - who isn't a great player to have anymore in my opinion. Van Bommel is the ideal solution to play in front of our defense, but not as creative force, not as Pirlo's replacement, no, that was Seedorf, and next season, a new signing...

[Fillipo Simone]

Why do you constantly put the sentence "Pirlo is not good anymore" in your posts? I mean, by now, we all know you think that way and there's no need for repetition unless you believe it has a Ceterum censeo... meaning.

[X-Offender]

Pirlo could have been what Rui was to Kaka.

I think Seedorf is more suitable for that role.

What really strikes me though is that most of you seem certain in resting Pirlo's departure on Allegri's shoulders? What if Pirlo was the one that wanted to leave? What if he didn't like the new position on the left? What if he didn't accept being a substitute to the new face we're going to sign? What if he wanted more money? There's too much uncertainty about the reasons of him leaving, so don't go making blatant comments about why we didn't try to keep him.