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> Serie A - Week 32 - Fiorentina - Milan, Date: 10/04/11 Time: 20:45 CET

 
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post Apr 4 2011, 04:46 AM
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I hope Ibra and Pato don't start we should keep the same attack as the Derby and Ibra come on second half if we need more goals.
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post Apr 4 2011, 04:47 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 4 2011, 04:55 AM) *
Same line-up as derby please.

Roger that !
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QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Apr 3 2011, 02:30 PM) *
Mutu won't play in this game. Picked up his fourth yellow card.

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post Apr 4 2011, 11:53 AM
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Fiorentina are rather **** this season and we've done well against them in recent years (especially Pato loves to score over there).
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post Apr 4 2011, 07:43 PM
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ Apr 4 2011, 10:53 AM) *
Fiorentina are rather **** this season and we've done well against them in recent years (especially Pato loves to score over there).

Was just about to say, I think Pato has scored in every game he's played against Fiorentina.

As for the derby line-up, it could be stronger and better, the back 4 that played is untouchable imo, but if Pirlo is back then I'd want him in there, also Flamini played better then Rino did who slows our midfield down way too much, with Van Bommel in there, we really don't need Rino playing

As for Ibra, he's back and he won't be sitting it out that's for sure, he's had a good few weeks to regenerate his strength and regroup mentally. He was running on empty before, thus the reason as to why he sucked @ss big time.
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post Apr 5 2011, 02:33 AM
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Hm, maybe Rino won't play at all due to his injury in the derby.
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post Apr 5 2011, 09:24 AM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 3 2011, 06:58 PM) *
Coming off the derby high, this will be a tuff one, but in all honesty should be won. we're still not out of the woods, so we realy cannot afford to lose any points now.

We'll have Zlatan back for this one, any word on whether Pirlo will be back?

Personally I'd like to see us go for

Abate--Nesta--Thiago--Zambro
Flamini--V.Bommel--Boateng
Robinho
Ibra--Pato


Assuming Pirlo is still out

However, Allegri will most likely play this

Abate--Nesta--Thiago--Zambro
Rino--V.Bommel--Flams/See
Boateng
Ibra--Pato

Second one is better anyway. No three forwards please, and Boateng as AM please. And where is the creativity in your line-up?

I hope to see:
Pato, Robinho/Zlatan
Boateng
Pirlo/Seedorf, Van Bommel, Gattuso/Flamini
Zambrotta, Thiago Silva, Nesta, Abate
Abbiati
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post Apr 5 2011, 12:53 PM
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QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Apr 5 2011, 09:24 AM) *
Second one is better anyway. No three forwards please, and Boateng as AM please. And where is the creativity in your line-up?

I hope to see:
Pato, Robinho/Zlatan
Boateng
Pirlo/Seedorf, Van Bommel, Gattuso/Flamini
Zambrotta, Thiago Silva, Nesta, Abate
Abbiati

Boateng imo is a far better midfielder then he is an AM, and part of what he offers is wasted with him playing so high up.

The only reason that we shouldn't play all 3 forwards is because we won't have anyone left on the bench because of Cassano's suspension, other then that I'd prefer Robinho playing there then Boateng, his movement off the ball is very important to us while Boateng will provide a lot more for us playing in the midfield 3

Ideally our midfield should look like this

Van Bommel
Boateng--Pirlo


VB being the holding mid, Pirlo the creative mind and Boateng the box to box guy. Flamini would be a great asset coming off the bench or when we want to play a more compact midfield against big sides, but in all honesty for Serie A those 3 would be the best solution. Playing the 2 DMs is the reason why we usually struggle to score more often then not. Plus all those 3 would help out a lot defensively
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post Apr 5 2011, 01:26 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 5 2011, 01:53 PM) *
Boateng imo is a far better midfielder then he is an AM, and part of what he offers is wasted with him playing so high up.

Actually the AM will be a midfielder when Boateng plays there. What he has to offer as midfielder he does when playing as AM. He isn't so high up all the time.

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The only reason that we shouldn't play all 3 forwards is because we won't have anyone left on the bench because of Cassano's suspension, other then that I'd prefer Robinho playing there then Boateng, his movement off the ball is very important to us while Boateng will provide a lot more for us playing in the midfield 3


Actually there is another reason not to play with 3 forwards. Namely we play better with Boateng as AM / playing with 4 mids instead of 3 forwards. I'm sure if we take a look at all games we played with Boateng as AM and two forwards we were really good. Better than the average 3 forwards game. Often enough we struggled with 3 forwards, lack of midfield, therefore forward also not being that good. More is not always better.

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Ideally our midfield should look like this

Van Bommel
Boateng--Pirlo


Ideally our midfield should have four midfielders.

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VB being the holding mid, Pirlo the creative mind and Boateng the box to box guy. Flamini would be a great asset coming off the bench or when we want to play a more compact midfield against big sides, but in all honesty for Serie A those 3 would be the best solution. Playing the 2 DMs is the reason why we usually struggle to score more often then not. Plus all those 3 would help out a lot defensively


Actually no. Playing 2 DMs is not the reason that we struggled scoring. Reasons are not playing enough players with pace and movement, or playing with an isolated attack, or a three forward attack that doesn't click well, while I have seen Robinho + Zlatan working better than Robinho behind Zlatan + Pato, and last match vs Inter Pato + Robinho worked well. Two forwards with an attacking midfielder - Boateng - makes not only our midfield better, but therefore also our attack. Good strong midfield makes us winning the ball more after and losing it less, midfield and attack are well linked up, surely when not only playing Prince as AM but also Robinho as one of the two forwards, and we attack more, we play better, score more, win more.

I've been thinking about wanting to start with Pato + Robinho in front of Boateng. Looks best to me. No Zlatan? Nah, not going to happen.

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post Apr 5 2011, 01:55 PM
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Everyone's in the mood to write a lot today(also yesterday),what's uP? xP
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post Apr 5 2011, 04:02 PM
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It will be sooooo nice to comprehensively dispose of Fiornetina. No Pirlo!!! Allegri actually has a system now I'm sick and tired of witnessing his thoudands of back and sideways passes and ppl jizzing at how great this fairy is in possession. Slow as as phuck and gives the ball in dangerous positions. He can play but NOT START until he's fit enough to at least keep up decently witht he pace of the game.

I'm hoping iBra returns majestically because these "lesser" games Milan are notorious for losing after knocking out a champion. All Galliani has to do is pretend Fio are minnows and not play the CL anthem in the dressing room and iBra will definitely score a hattrick (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Don't expect Pato to be as good simply because as a youngster, consistency is always an issue so I propose Barbera to show up in the San Siro in an extra-slutty outfit just for insurance. Van Bommel is coming back to form and I think Flaimini is finally improving....what I'm saying is "well done Allegri". And NOTHING would please me more than to see Binho score the guy hasn't been clinical but his luck has been down too.

I'd be tempted to rest one of Nesta or Silva but I'd let caution prevail (omg I'm starting to think like Allegri (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) ) and still start 'em. But taking a gamble and letting Yepes play in Nesta's place would also be nice.

Forza Milan!!!
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post Apr 5 2011, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE (William405 @ Apr 5 2011, 02:55 PM) *
Everyone's in the mood to write a lot today(also yesterday),what's uP? xP

I wrote a lot, but still forgot to mention how we play a much faster game without Zlatan / with Robinho, Pato and Boateng... no Zlatan who holds up the play, no long balls...

Still, also with Zlatan we can be good, obviously, we have won many games with him. But, surely after last match, the derby(!), with a very good display while playing with Pato + Robinho (and Boateng as AM) up front, I would love to see - and it's only fair - to see that again/also vs Fiorentina.
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post Apr 5 2011, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE (drucurl @ Apr 5 2011, 04:02 PM) *
It will be sooooo nice to comprehensively dispose of Fiornetina. No Pirlo!!! Allegri actually has a system now I'm sick and tired of witnessing his thoudands of back and sideways passes and ppl jizzing at how great this fairy is in possession. Slow as as phuck and gives the ball in dangerous positions. He can play but NOT START until he's fit enough to at least keep up decently witht he pace of the game.

I'm hoping iBra returns majestically because these "lesser" games Milan are notorious for losing after knocking out a champion. All Galliani has to do is pretend Fio are minnows and not play the CL anthem in the dressing room and iBra will definitely score a hattrick (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Don't expect Pato to be as good simply because as a youngster, consistency is always an issue so I propose Barbera to show up in the San Siro in an extra-slutty outfit just for insurance. Van Bommel is coming back to form and I think Flaimini is finally improving....what I'm saying is "well done Allegri". And NOTHING would please me more than to see Binho score the guy hasn't been clinical but his luck has been down too.

I'd be tempted to rest one of Nesta or Silva but I'd let caution prevail (omg I'm starting to think like Allegri (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) ) and still start 'em. But taking a gamble and letting Yepes play in Nesta's place would also be nice.

Forza Milan!!!

it is an away game (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Apr 5 2011, 04:46 PM
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@ Chu's long post (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

In regards to Boateng, when he plays in the Am position he's both a part of the attack and the midfield, he has his position to hold, he still needs to be in the attacking third or the attackers get stranded. I agree that we should have 4 mids, and if Robinho is playing behind the strikers he forms part of that midfield.

When I talk of the midfield I'm talking about the 3 directly in front of the defense, the AM is not included in that. And personally I believe that Boateng is a lot better playing there, since it is after all his natural position as a box-to-box player, something we've been craving for a while now and I feel that he's wasted at AM.

As for the 2 DM issue, I stand by what I say, we essesntially have DMs that don't really have any skill on the ball, so obviously the midfield becomes stagnant with so many packed in there, at one point we were playing with 3, so after 45 minutes of trying to go through that god awful midfield and failing over and over again, the long balls to Ibra ensue.

I said it in the other thread and I'll say it again, had the same midfield of 3 DMs we were playing around xmas played behind Pato and Robinho, they could have run a 1000 miles out there and it would have come to nothing. The problem has always been the midfield 3 this season, not the forwards and the combo of forwards that play. The AM is irrelavent, it has to start from that midfield 3 and putting Boateng there and removing a player like Rino would increase the quality 10 fold. Add Pirlo when he's fit again and you'll see great football no matter who the 3 (2 strikers 1 AM) in attack are.

A Diamon midfield of

V.Bommel
Boateng--Pirlo
Robinho


Is the best midfield we could put out there and would produce our best football without loosing our defensive balance
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 5 2011, 04:46 PM) *
@ Chu's long post (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

In regards to Boateng, when he plays in the Am position he's both a part of the attack and the midfield, he has his position to hold, he still needs to be in the attacking third or the attackers get stranded. I agree that we should have 4 mids, and if Robinho is playing behind the strikers he forms part of that midfield.

When I talk of the midfield I'm talking about the 3 directly in front of the defense, the AM is not included in that. And personally I believe that Boateng is a lot better playing there, since it is after all his natural position as a box-to-box player, something we've been craving for a while now and I feel that he's wasted at AM.

As for the 2 DM issue, I stand by what I say, we essesntially have DMs that don't really have any skill on the ball, so obviously the midfield becomes stagnant with so many packed in there, at one point we were playing with 3, so after 45 minutes of trying to go through that god awful midfield and failing over and over again, the long balls to Ibra ensue.

I said it in the other thread and I'll say it again, had the same midfield of 3 DMs we were playing around xmas played behind Pato and Robinho, they could have run a 1000 miles out there and it would have come to nothing. The problem has always been the midfield 3 this season, not the forwards and the combo of forwards that play. The AM is irrelavent, it has to start from that midfield 3 and putting Boateng there and removing a player like Rino would increase the quality 10 fold. Add Pirlo when he's fit again and you'll see great football no matter who the 3 (2 strikers 1 AM) in attack are.

A Diamon midfield of

V.Bommel
Boateng--Pirlo
Robinho


Is the best midfield we could put out there and would produce our best football without loosing our defensive balance

dont expect robinho to start there, Had cassano been available then yes but him suspended i dont think that will happen although I do like the diamond midfield we can keep rotating it a lot as well
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