[arivanjj]

what is the likely outcome? 3 games and a fine?

[Milan Are Brilli...]

Crouch and Jordan had been riling him up all game. Crouch practically jumping all over him hand knees and everything else on every occasion that he got and then exchanging barbs with him at every opportunity. Jordan obviously said some very colourful things to him as well. Sure we can all say that he should have kept his cool and all that, but I doubt any of us here would stand for some of the things going down on that pitch last night.

I agree 100% with kurt here. Jordan should have never got in his face like that, he's part of the coaching staff and last time I checked he shouldn't be coming out of his area and mouthing off to players, simple. Gattuso has done some really drastic things over the years, and that's just the way he is. But I think everyone is over reacting here. It was not just his faul, Spurs played a dirty game imo, especially in the 2nd half when they lost control of the game, they saw Rino as the mental weak link and poked him until he blew up.

Crouch is 6ft 7 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Why would he need to use any other elevation to jump over a small man like Gattuso? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Crouch did nothing wrong all game to be fair.

Yes Jordan must have said something but that was because Gattuso was running around like a raving lunatic. Of course Jordan takes some of the blame, but the way Gattuso behaved was nothing short of atrocious.

Spurs played a dirty game? Compared to Flamini's tackle, Gattuso etc? Seriously you were talking about bias last night yet this post is clearly just as biased in our favour. I only remember one bad tackle from spurs foot a little high on Gattuso apart from that I didn't see anything else that was particularly wrong.

[acid911]

Crouch did nothing wrong all game to be fair.

Na, I remember them both having a go in the 2nd half. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) It was Gattuso, Crouch, Gattuso, Crouch, Gattuso, yellow card or something like that. Point being Spurs had a plan to work Rino up and they stuck to it.

[Milan Are Brilli...]

Na, I remember them both having a go in the 2nd half. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) It was Gattuso, Crouch, Gattuso, Crouch, Gattuso, yellow card or something like that. Point being Spurs had a plan to work Rino up and they stuck to it.

It was because Gattuso kept running upto him. One point Crouch made a tackle, Gattuso fell over then ran straight up to him. Crouch was practically laughing at him.

I'm sorry but I don't buy it, we were a dirty, dirty side last night and that's what the media all over the world are branding us. Thanks to a couple of individuals out there.

It will take a long time for the club's image to get over this, believe that.

[dst]

Okay, I get it, his behaviour was unacceptable and a disgrace. But hey, let's not push it too far. AC Milan has history and tradition, I don't think this incident can permanently alter the image Milan has. It would be too easy.

Unfortunately, most people only remember the very last thing that happened.

I think all of you are going overboard with this! Not trying to defend Gattuso or anything, I'm a fan, but if you've been reading my posts lately you'd know that I've been one of his biggest critics this season. But come on people!!!!

Everyone here knew what he was like. Did we all forget the shows against Shalke, Juve and especially Inter last season, which was even worse then this, he actually threw the amband to the floor. He's a loose canon and it's not something new. And the fact that everyone is getting on his back for it now to me is ridiculous. Especially after seeing the match last night.

I don't think he's ever been worse than last night. I'll be very disappointed to see him wear the armband again.

Spurs played a dirty game? Compared to Flamini's tackle, Gattuso etc? Seriously you were talking about bias last night yet this post is clearly just as biased in our favour. I only remember one bad tackle from spurs foot a little high on Gattuso apart from that I didn't see anything else that was particularly wrong.

I don't think Flamini and Gattuso were dirty... they were unsportsmanlike, awful and stupid but not dirty... dirty was what Palacios and Sandro were doing all game long but it was still stuff that happens in most games. All in all, I think Tottenham played a fair game and did nothing so bad that could justify Gattuso's behavior.

[han2503]

Crouch is 6ft 7 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Why would he need to use any other elevation to jump over a small man like Gattuso? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Crouch did nothing wrong all game to be fair.

Yes Jordan must have said something but that was because Gattuso was running around like a raving lunatic. Of course Jordan takes some of the blame, but the way Gattuso behaved was nothing short of atrocious.

Spurs played a dirty game? Compared to Flamini's tackle, Gattuso etc? Seriously you were talking about bias last night yet this post is clearly just as biased in our favour. I only remember one bad tackle from spurs foot a little high on Gattuso apart from that I didn't see anything else that was particularly wrong.

Are you serious about the first bit? I have a clear image in my head of crouch jumping over Rino digging his elbows and knees into him. And Crouch was having a go at him just as much.

What does that have to do with anything? Joe Jordan shouldn't be getting anywhere near the players, last time I checked coaches shouldn't come out of their technical area to mouth off, we've seen them getting crds for that. Also you chose to defend him for not doing anything, but what he did could be worse, because he did it under the radar like the little girl in the playground that pulls hair and pinches others from behind because she's too chicken sh!t. Sorry but he was just at fault.

Playing a dirty game doesn't always have to be going in with rough tackles. Sure Flamini went in badly but it's not like he was trying to take off his legs, we've seen those types of tackles before, Flamini actually got the ball first, it was terrible because he went in 2 footed and hurt him but his intention was to get the ball. Imo what you're talking about is a rough game, not a dirty game, and Spurs played a dirty game, point being Crouch and Sandro and Palacios with how they kept making those niggling fouls on every occasion they could get, trying to get under the players skin.

Bias? I'm talking about what I saw going on the pitch last night, sorry but Tottenham weren't walking angels that's for sure, there was a reason why the majority of our players were getting so p!ssed off last night during the 2nd half, when we started to dominate Spurs started acting like spoiled brats.

Na, I remember them both having a go in the 2nd half. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) It was Gattuso, Crouch, Gattuso, Crouch, Gattuso, yellow card or something like that. Point being Spurs had a plan to work Rino up and they stuck to it.

Exactly

[Milan Are Brilli...]

Really, really? I mean wow.

If I saw Crouch go headbutt Allegri last night, and saw Sandro go double footed on Robinho and practically break his ankle I'd be going mad and calling them dirty.

It's ok though because we are the mighty Milan, our history means we're fine to do this.

There's no point me trying anymore, the worlds media has spoken and quite frankly I agree with them. Some people are just too blinkered to realise how much this has tarnished our reputation.

[acid911]

It was because Gattuso kept running upto him. One point Crouch made a tackle, Gattuso fell over then ran straight up to him. Crouch was practically laughing at him.

I remember the laugh. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) Very vividly.

I'm sorry but I don't buy it, we were a dirty, dirty side last night and that's what the media all over the world are branding us. Thanks to a couple of individuals out there.

So very true. Like I said we gave them fodder, and they will run with it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Even if the team was losing 0-1 or the result was not coming, they should have kept their cool. Most guys did, but a few instances really hurt us. I will be watching both Roma and Arsenal's match later today in a cafe, let's hope it is a much better affair.

It will take a long time for the club's image to get over this, believe that.

Sadly, yes. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Not sure about the long time though, we do seem to have a few new characters on board. This Milan is very, very different than the one in the "Age of Maldini". This team is different. We sneak out minutes at the corned flag toward the end, for crying out loud.

I don't think Flamini and Gattuso were dirty... they were unsportsmanlike, awful and stupid but not dirty... dirty was what Palacios and Sandro were doing all game long but it was still stuff that happens in most games. All in all, I think Tottenham played a fair game and did nothing so bad that could justify Gattuso's behavior.

Agreed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Me and my mates who were on for the match were saying that Spurs were doing tactical fouls, everything they did had a reason behind it. And guess what, they walked away with an away goal at the end.

Bias? I'm talking about what I saw going on the pitch last night, sorry but Tottenham weren't walking angels that's for sure, there was a reason why the majority of our players were getting so p!ssed off last night during the 2nd half, when we started to dominate Spurs started acting like spoiled brats.

True. There was a reason to their madness. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) It was a lucky break for the goal, but Tottenham knew that they can't take us head on (not away, and a few of their main players injured or returning from injury), so they did what had to. Smart? Yes. Ugly? You bet. But we fell right into their trap. Give me a 0-1 loss any day, as opposed to the theatrical show during and after the match.

Besides, it was just one single away goal. It's not like we conceded 3 or 4 and ended the tie there and then.

[han2503]

Really, really? I mean wow.

If I saw Crouch go headbutt Allegri last night, and saw Sandro go double footed on Robinho and practically break his ankle I'd be going mad and calling them dirty.

It's ok though because we are the mighty Milan, our history means we're fine to do this.

There's no point me trying anymore, the worlds media has spoken and quite frankly I agree with them. Some people are just too blinkered to realise how much this has tarnished our reputation.

Like I said, if you condone the pulling pigtails from behind tactic then all the best for you. But it was clear what Tottenham were trying to do. The only thing I'm p!ssed off about is Rino being dumb enough to fall into the trap. Personally I've seen him doing things that were worse.

Flamini's tackle? Personally I saw it as him going for the ball. Did he go in badly? Yes! But there is a huge difference between going into a tackle to hurt someone and going in with the intention to win the ball and doing it badly enough to hurt someone. How many times do we see Flamini doing this? Again, it's a repeat yet now we're suddenly going up in arms about it. Every week we used to complain about how Flamini needs to tone it down with the tackling, he probably did something similar to this on the weekend, but again with blowing it out of proportion.

Oh please! Tarnished our reputation? We've seen so many more terrible things being done in football, but this is the end of the world. Imo tacking it out on Rino is unfair when he wasn't completely at fault. Funny how Jordan so far has had nothing to say about it.

[Milan Are Brilli...]

Saying that Spurs were doing tactical fouls, everything they did had a reason behind it. And guess what, they walked away with an away goal at the end.

Spot on.

I mean they weren't like Holland in the WC final who were breaking up play with all types of horrendous challenges. Of course they were going to try and trip us up though to break up our play. That was always going to happen because they are majorly inferior to us.

It's not dirty in my mind to break up play, not if you're just tripping someone up. To do what Flamini did, or what De Jong did in the WC final, now that is dirty.

Like I said, if you condone the pulling pigtails from behind tactic then all the best for you

Oh please. He was shouting at him from the sideline, what was he meant to do walk up and punch him? It's a game of football, there's always winding up going on. Gattuso just isn't big enough to let it go over his head.

Tarnished our reputation? We've seen so many more terrible things being done in football, but this is the end of the world.

Never said it was the worst thing in football?! Just that this happened on a big stage with a lot of worldwide media watching. Therefore it will tarnish our reputation somewhat. If it were just Gattuso then they'd aim it at him but with Flamini's tackle as well, it just doesn't pend well for us as a club. You have to remember a lot of media don't get to see us week-in, week-out. Before its bought up I'm not just talking about English media, I'm talking about media worldwide.

[dst]

Really, really? I mean wow.

If I saw Crouch go headbutt Allegri last night, and saw Sandro go double footed on Robinho and practically break his ankle I'd be going mad and calling them dirty.

It's ok though because we are the mighty Milan, our history means we're fine to do this.

There's no point me trying anymore, the worlds media has spoken and quite frankly I agree with them. Some people are just too blinkered to realise how much this has tarnished our reputation.

If your reply was to my post I have to say I did not say that what they did was not dirty to protect them... it's just a matter of definition. I define being dirty as doing sneaky stuff. Imagine Kevin Garnett, doing all the sneaky annoying stuff that he tries to cover up as fair play, that's what I define as dirty. Gattuso and Flamini were not dirty in that sense, they were all guns blazing disgraceful. I hope I'm not misunderstood.

It's certainly not OK exactly because of our history, the armband passing from Maldini to someone that did all that last night... that's pitiful!

Agreed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Me and my mates who were on for the match were saying that Spurs were doing tactical fouls, everything they did had a reason behind it. And guess what, they walked away with an away goal at the end.

Oh come now you're not really saying they won because of Sandro's and Palacios' play! Seriously... you've watched football games before, that was stuff that happens all the time... and our players (should) know better than to lose their cool by something like that.

[dst]

Never said it was the worst thing in football?! Just that this happened on a big stage with a lot of worldwide media watching. Therefore it will tarnish our reputation somewhat. If it were just Gattuso then they'd aim it at him but with Flamini's tackle as well, it just doesn't pend well for us as a club. You have to remember a lot of media don't get to see us week-in, week-out. Before its bought up I'm not just talking about English media, I'm talking about media worldwide.

I agree and that's the most annoying thing about it all. What Gattuso did last night did not stop there, the tag we got will stick for some time!

[han2503]

Oh please. He was shouting at him from the sideline, what was he meant to do walk up and punch him? It's a game of football, there's always winding up going on. Gattuso just isn't big enough to let it go over his head.

Talking mostly about the incident when the match ended. Jordan obviously said something to finally burst Rino's bubble.

Never said it was the worst thing in football?! Just that this happened on a big stage with a lot of worldwide media watching. Therefore it will tarnish our reputation somewhat. If it were just Gattuso then they'd aim it at him but with Flamini's tackle as well, it just doesn't pend well for us as a club. You have to remember a lot of media don't get to see us week-in, week-out. Before its bought up I'm not just talking about English media, I'm talking about media worldwide.

I think you're putting waaaay to much emphasis on Flamini's tackle. How often do we see those kinds of tackles? at least once a week from different players. I'm sure Flamini pulled off some of the same stuff like this playing at Arsenal, it's not something new out of him.

Well the English media are the International media imo, the English braodcasts are the ones who reach the widest audience, and imo for this to have happened against an English team is what is really bad for us. Because no doubt it is being painted in the worse possible light.

The blame should go both ways, no matter how much you say that Rino is at fault and a crazy nut (but we all knew that before). As a Milan fan, I'm not even mad at him for going for Jordan, because I can;t say myself what I would do myself if someone has been throwing insults at me for an hour straight, I blame him for being stupid enough to fall into that age old trap. But again Rino was never known for his smarts so...

[acid911]

Oh come now you're not really saying they won because of Sandro's and Palacios' play! Seriously... you've watched football games before, that was stuff that happens all the time... and our players (should) know better than to lose their cool by something like that.

Not at all, far from it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I'm saying that Spurs had a plan to defend in numbers, and frustrate our players. If anything they would have been the happier side with a 0-0 score at the end. Everything went according to plan, and what more they got an away goal against the run of play, partly because of Ibra, partly because our coach was stupid/naive enough to commit men forward even with the slow CB combo we had.

You said it yourself that our players should know better than to lose their cool. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) And that's what I have been saying all along. Tottenham's visit was a wholesome success, because one, they won; two, they scored an away goal; three, they kept a clean sheet; four, they frustrated our players just like they planned; and five, they won't have to deal with Gattuso in the return leg. The Spurs guys I know term this visit as even more of a success than the the 4-3 against inter.

And for the record, I think we will go out in 3 weeks time. Unless we find a way to counter Tottenham's speed when they play in their own backyard. Or unless some of our guys really step up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) Ash said it best, this one is even more difficult than Bayern away 07.

[dst]

I think you're putting waaaay to much emphasis on Flamini's tackle. How often do we see those kinds of tackles? at least once a week from different players. I'm sure Flamini pulled off some of the same stuff like this playing at Arsenal, it's not something new out of him.

I don't think it's that often that we see such tackles not at this level and not from player in a Milan shirt. The local football level in my town? Yes, way worse stuff. The fact that he was doing that at Arsenal does not justify it in any way...

And it was not just the tackle... it was how he went for it and what he did after that, complaining about time wasting while he could have broken the man's leg!

You said it yourself that our players should know better than to lose their cool. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) And that's what I have been saying all along. Tottenham's visit was a wholesome success, because one, they won; two, they scored an away goal; three, they kept a clean sheet; four, they frustrated our players just like they planned; and five, they won't have to deal with Gattuso in the return leg. The Spurs guys I know term this visit as even more of a success than the the 4-3 against inter.

that's better for us actually.