[han2503]

If it were a few years ago, I think Jose would probably be disliked too, but the club just wants to start winning again. Mourinho is also helped by the fact he's a funny, media-friendly guy, Capello and Del Bosque are boring people.

Being serious about your work does not mean you're boring. Mourinho funny? He only likes to take swipes at people, I mean if you call that funny...

[Protagonist]

If it were a few years ago, I think Jose would probably be disliked too, but the club just wants to start winning again. Mourinho is also helped by the fact he's a funny, media-friendly guy, Capello and Del Bosque are boring people.

Mourinho is anything but funny, the fact that he has won so much in less than a decade is substantial. Nevertheless, he is not a character I would consider to be amusing, others might disagree as he does have a strong fan base.

In terms of class, he doesn't have any. Hence, I cant really acknowledge why his name is being paired with Capello. Sure they share the tactically oriented gameplay; where they respectively produce a team that goes by the book with respect to tactics. But on the most part, they are completely different in their approach.

Fans at Madrid are enthusiastic about Mourinho, but they also shared the same sentiments when Capello started with them. The problem is not in media frenzy or his clown-esque status, the problem is he doesn't bring with him the total football or freeflowing gameplay that you would expect under Arsene Wenger for example. He will definitely bring in results, I expect that from him, yet he wont last long as he will most likely be booed at whenever he plays 'on the defense'. Considering the squad he has, you would expect total fooball, but that is something mourinho wont consider simply because it doesn't guarantee a consistent run for a title.

[Bluesummers]

Capello and mourinho are completely different coaches.


Capello brings about him order, discpline and dicatorship. He doesn't develop a close relationship with the players or anyone for that matter. He's simply their to do his job and thats what he wants to be judged on.

In some places that works, fair enough. However, in some places like Madrid that isn't enough. If you are only interested in your job then you better bring about results in a fashionable way and capello did anything but that. He had alot of 1-0s and was knocked out of the CL early on.

Furthermore, at the end of the day madrid is madrid. They are arrogant and they want to have the best of everything. While capello is very well noted in Italy and some countries in europe for being a top notch coach, many countries will argue that there are better.


Mourinho is known worldwide as one of the best coaches in the world if not the best. That brings to madrid that arrogancy they desire. Thats why pellegrini was sacked, not because he did a poor job of coaching. Its that he was ridciulued falsely by the media in several occassions and that led to the people losing faith in him.


Mourinho is an expert in dealing with the media. So even if he has bad results, he can always defer the attention somewhere else and his status won't go down.





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Now in terms of actual ability. Mourinho is by far the best coach on this planet. You can call his style boring or whatever you want but he is the complete package.


1) Discipline
2) Systems
3) Relationship
4) Media
5) Results




Furthermore,

Fabio has a 57% winning record in 573 games; mourinho has a 67% winning record in 463 games..


This alone speaks volumes! 67% is the best in the world. Better than ferguson, wenger, you name it.

CAPELLO:

As a coach

Milan

Serie A (4): 1991–92, 1992–93, 1993–94, 1995–96
Supercoppa Italiana (3): 1992, 1993, 1994
UEFA Champions League (1): 1993–94
European Super Cup (1): 1994
Coppa Italia Primavera (1): 1984–85

Roma

Serie A (1): 2000–01
Supercoppa Italiana (1): 2001

Juventus

Serie A (1): 2004–05, 2005–06 (both revoked)
Real Madrid
La Liga (2): 1996–97, 2006–07

Individual

Serie A Coach of the Year: 2005
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Coach Award: 2009

Mourinho:

Porto (2002–2004)

2003 Portuguese Liga
2003 Portuguese Cup
2003 UEFA Cup
2003 Portuguese Super Cup
2004 Portugese Liga
2004 UEFA Champions League

Chelsea (2004–2007)

2005 FA Premier League
2005 League Cup
2005 FA Community Shield
2006 FA Premier League
2007 League Cup
2007 FA Cup

Internazionale (2008–2010)

2008 Supercoppa Italiana
2009 Serie A
2010 Serie A
2010 Coppa Italia
2010 UEFA Champions League
The Treble (League, Cup and European trophy)
2002–03 with Porto: League, Cup and UEFA Cup
2009–10 with Internazionale: League, Cup and UEFA Champions League

Individual

UEFA Manager of the Year (2): 2002–03, 2003–04
Portuguese Liga Manager of the Year (2): 2002–03, 2003–04
Premier League Manager of the Year (2): 2004–05, 2005–06
Premier League Manager of the Month (3): November 2004, January 2005, March 2007
Serie A Manager of the Year (1): 2009
IFFHS World Manager of the Year (2): 2004, 2005
UEFA Champions League Manager of the Year (2): 2002–03, 2003–04
UEFA Team of the Year Coach of the Year (3): 2003, 2004, 2005
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Coach Award (1): 2005
Onze d'Or Coach of the Year (1): 2005
Premier League Manager of the Month (3): November 2004, January 2005, March 2007
World Soccer Magazine World Manager of the Year (2): 2004, 2005
International Sports Press Association Best Manager in the World (1): 2010 [64]

There really is no comparison. If he wins the La Liga he'll be the first coach to have won it in all 3 big leagues.



though saying all this...I rank capello quite highly as well. He is no doubt in the top 5.

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Sep 26 2010, 12:01 PM

[kurtsimonw]

I agree that Jose won't last long in Spain, but I don't think he wants to. He'll win the title there and it's job done for him. The only other jobs I can see him taking in the future are the English and Portugese National Teams and United when Fergie calls it quits.

[han2503]

Capello and mourinho are completely different coaches.

Capello brings about him order, discpline and dicatorship. He doesn't develop a close relationship with the players or anyone for that matter. He's simply their to do his job and thats what he wants to be judged on.

In some places that works, fair enough. However, in some places like Madrid that isn't enough. If you are only interested in your job then you better bring about results in a fashionable way and capello did anything but that. He had alot of 1-0s and was knocked out of the CL early on.

Furthermore, at the end of the day madrid is madrid. They are arrogant and they want to have the best of everything. While capello is very well noted in Italy and some countries in europe for being a top notch coach, many countries will argue that there are better.

Mourinho is known worldwide as one of the best coaches in the world if not the best. That brings to madrid that arrogancy they desire. Thats why pellegrini was sacked, not because he did a poor job of coaching. Its that he was ridciulued falsely by the media in several occassions and that led to the people losing faith in him.

Mourinho is an expert in dealing with the media. So even if he has bad results, he can always defer the attention somewhere else and his status won't go down.

Now in terms of actual ability. Mourinho is by far the best coach on this planet. You can call his style boring or whatever you want but he is the complete package.

1) Discipline
2) Systems
3) Relationship
4) Media
5) Results

Furthermore,

Fabio has a 57% winning record in 573 games; mourinho has a 67% winning record in 463 games..

This alone speaks volumes! 67% is the best in the world. Better than ferguson, wenger, you name it.

There really is no comparison. If he wins the La Liga he'll be the first coach to have won it in all 3 big leagues.

though saying all this...I rank capello quite highly as well. He is no doubt in the top 5.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Blue I noticed that you put a number to Cappello's achievements, while with Mourinho you split them one by one (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Was that to make his rep sheet seem longer then Capello's? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Imo, at the heart of the matter, both are the same type of coach, they'll get you the results you want, but they don't do it in style.

I think the Real fans are going along with the hype machine that is Mourinho for now, if for some reason the results don't come and the team is not playing that free flowing football the Real fans expect from their team, they will start getting on his back, I mean these are the same fans who were starting to turn on Zidane before he adjusted to the league, and booed Ronaldo as he was awarded the Golden Ball... Something tells me Mourinho won't be immune if he doesn't deliver what they expect, which is imo both the CL and the league. And we all know that Mourinho won't have the easy ride he had while with Inter in Spain.

Fact is Capello always delivered a big title wherever he went, whether that is Roma, Juve, Milan or Real

[kurtsimonw]

Blue I noticed that you put a number to Cappello's achievements, while with Mourinho you split them one by one (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Was that to make his rep sheet seem longer then Capello's? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

That's the way they're listen on wiki, I don't think Blue did it like that himself.

And we all know that Mourinho won't have the easy ride he had while with Inter in Spain.

You could say the same about Fabio in Spain. In his 2 seasons at Madrid, he failed to win 30 league games, that's quite alot, he got lucky that Barca were just as bad.

Fact is Capello always delivered a big title wherever he went, whether that is Roma, Juve, Milan or Real

Jose has won stuff everywhere too, you could argue he's earned it the proper way, going through staff jobs into 'small-time' management then onto top clubs, rather than his playing career giving him a boost straight into the big time.

[han2503]

That's the way they're listen on wiki, I don't think Blue did it like that himself.

You could say the same about Fabio in Spain. In his 2 seasons at Madrid, he failed to win 30 league games, that's quite alot, he got lucky that Barca were just as bad.

Jose has won stuff everywhere too, you could argue he's earned it the proper way, going through staff jobs into 'small-time' management then onto top clubs, rather than his playing career giving him a boost straight into the big time.

Well whoever wrote it in wiki sure likes to kiss some @ss

He still delivered, no matter how many games he didn't win, and that's the same case with Mourinho

Isn't that what I'm saying? That both come from the same mold? They are both serial winners, wherever they go they win. But let's not go into the whole past player debate, if you're not good then you could have been the best player in the world in your time, that still doesn't change the fact that you're a sh!t coach, having a past playing carreer didn't bring Fabio those titles, it's because he's a good tactician.

[kurtsimonw]

I never said his playing career bought him those titles, but his first job was Milan, probably when they were at their best too. He got a head-start in his managerial career. Jose had to go through staff jobs, assistant manager jobs and a small club before he got his big break (I wouldn't even say Porto are exactly a huge club), I think his success is much more of a s'tory' because he had to work hard to get where he is. Capello got the Milan job because his name was Fabio Capello.

I personally think Jose is better, but it's not by enough to say he's clearly better or anything.

[han2503]

I never said his playing career bought him those titles, but his first job was Milan, probably when they were at their best too. He got a head-start in his managerial career. Jose had to go through staff jobs, assistant manager jobs and a small club before he got his big break (I wouldn't even say Porto are exactly a huge club), I think his success is much more of a s'tory' because he had to work hard to get where he is. Capello got the Milan job because his name was Fabio Capello.

I personally think Jose is better, but it's not by enough to say he's clearly better or anything.

I never said that the name due to his playing career didn't give Fabio a push, but had he not been good he would have made a bigger @ss out of himself if he failed at Milan rather then some Serie B or newly promoted club

[acid911]

I'm with Kurt on this one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Capello got a kick start with that timeless Milan teams. That's not discount his abilities, he did make it all work then. This is all a bit like Pep, straight away managing a top club. Mou had to work his way up, people still call him 'The Translator', I've seen opponent fans holding banners during matches.

Having said that, I fear his home record of not losing league matches will end in Real Madrid. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) I got this feeling.

[kurtsimonw]

Capello did what good coaches would do at those teams and win, but most good coaches could do that. I'd like to see him do something big with a lesser team, you could even count England because we haven't won anything for so long. If he delivers us a major trophy, then that'll prove me wrong.

[han2503]

I'm with Kurt on this one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Capello got a kick start with that timeless Milan teams. That's not discount his abilities, he did make it all work then. This is all a bit like Pep, straight away managing a top club. Mou had to work his way up, people still call him 'The Translator', I've seen opponent fans holding banners during matches.

Having said that, I fear his home record of not losing league matches will end in Real Madrid. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) I got this feeling.

You really can't compare him to Pep, the day Pep leaves Barca and has succes with other big teams in other countries you can start comparing.

Mourinho is more charismatic, while Capello is more of a serious character. Having said that it does not dether him from doing his job which is winning

Capello did what good coaches would do at those teams and win, but most good coaches could do that. I'd like to see him do something big with a lesser team, you could even count England because we haven't won anything for so long. If he delivers us a major trophy, then that'll prove me wrong.

If you're not cut out to coach you could have a top team in your hands and still manage to f*** it up in some way or another (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) As i said it did give him that extra help in landing the job etc, etc, but had he failed it would have been a massive fall, where as, if he were coaching a small time team it would be something he could recover from.

EDIT, and at this point I don't think God himself can help England win a major trophy, let alone a mere mortal like Capello (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[acid911]

You really can't compare him to Pep, the day Pep leaves Barca and has succes with other big teams in other countries you can start comparing.

Oh, not comparing, in any way. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Pep is a rabbit, this is his first club after all. And for the record, I am not so sure he will achieve the same level of success he has been doing with Barca, with any other smaller club. He is more than welcome to prove me wrong, though, if he ever leaves to a new one.

[Rossoneri7]

You really can't compare him to Pep, the day Pep leaves Barca and has succes with other big teams in other countries you can start comparing.

Mourinho is more charismatic, while Capello is more of a serious character. Having said that it does not dether him from doing his job which is winning


If you're not cut out to coach you could have a top team in your hands and still manage to f*** it up in some way or another (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) As i said it did give him that extra help in landing the job etc, etc, but had he failed it would have been a massive fall, where as, if he were coaching a small time team it would be something he could recover from.

EDIT, and at this point I don't think God himself can help England win a major trophy, let alone a mere mortal like Capello (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Mourinho is as charismatic as an orangatang

ps Capello has a mountainous task ahead of him.

[han2503]

Mourinho is as charismatic as an orangatang

ps Capello has a mountainous task ahead of him.

A mountain is a molehill compared to the English NT. What with teammates sleeping with eachothers wives. Players getting caught with their pants down cheating on their wives with prostitutes etc, etc (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)