[Fillipo Simone]

Now you are only looking at the points and opponents. IMO, there is no way Inter has impressed more than Milan. IMO, there is no way that based on what happened these weeks Inter are favourites over Milan.

Well, except if you only look at what happened on paper. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Well, Germany was impressive at the WC. But the thing is - the facts on paper are more important, like it or not.

Also, Inter last season IMO never really was impressive, yet they managed an impressive score and record. I think this year Inter is weaker, but if we underestimate their ability and start seeing their weeknesses so soon, we put ourselfs in jeopardy.

Finally, I don't see what was so impressive with does two games. Inter played to solid games, while Milan played an excellent and a horrible. To me it seems we're pretty much the same, but Inter has the edge with the point plus.

[William405]

It's really really early to talk about points now.
Nice avatar,btw.

This post has been edited by William405: Sep 13 2010, 10:52 PM

[CHU-LIP]

Well, Germany was impressive at the WC. But the thing is - the facts on paper are more important, like it or not.

They are, surely at the end. But the thing is: what is 1 point with 32 games left? It's too little to call someone a favorite based on that, and it's an almost zero edge also.

Like you said, I also think Inter is weaker this year. Of course Inter is a team that will be a tough competition for the Scudetto, I just don't believe they are #1 favorites just because of having 1 point more.

With only 2 games left, the one with the most points is favorite, true. But with only two games played, only 1 point difference, the favorite is the one who seems the strongest. I'm seeing Inter struggling easier this season (than us).

This post has been edited by CHU-LIP: Sep 13 2010, 11:41 PM

[Jack Bauer]

I see it as a wake up call. Learn from it (especially tactically), work hard on team chemistry and quit the stupid cocky statements. Sure it will take some time but we'll take the scudetto this year.

[Fillipo Simone]

Like you said, I also think Inter is weaker this year. Of course Inter is a team that will be a tough competition for the Scudetto, I just don't believe they are #1 favorites just because of having 1 point more.

Yes, now we understand each other. But: I do think Inter are the favorites, not just because of that one point: they overall have a more complete squad and almost every position covered. However, I see how this could change - maybe this year one or two of the more injury prone players will be crossed off.

I do belive Milan is not capable of winning the scudetto with that kind of defense. Maybe with a more experienced and foxy coach that has more Serie A games in his record with teams like ours. But with the present roster, I see us struggle and having more then a few minor set-backs.

[Fillipo Simone]

It's really really early to talk about points now.
Nice avatar,btw.

Thanks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Bluesummers]

Fillipo its 2 games. This is still very much leo's team. We won't see the work allegri has done until november. Same with Rafa and Inter.

If we or Inter lose games its not because the coach is inept, there alot of reasons behind it, furthemore it doesn't mean we are going to struggle the rest of the season either.


Its to early to foreshadow our season. I personally won't be making any judgements until nov 1.

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Sep 14 2010, 01:03 AM

[alskor]

Alskor, have you ever watched Ronaldinho play?

Yeah, I watch him all the time. He usually screws around for an hour and has to be subbed out. Sometimes he scores a PK.

Ronaldinho consistently drifted into the middle, insisting on getting into the same space as Ibra. He likes to operate at the top of the box. He never tracks back or marks opposing wide players at all and we put him on the same wing as Cesena's most dangerous players. His lack of effort was in large part responsible for the first goal b/c he came inside forward and going back he did not give any attention to Ceccarelli, who was totally free and able to deliver a perfect cross to Bogdani. Ceccarelli brought the ball up the field uncontested time after time. Huge issue. Watch a replay of the first goal. See how open the man is and you can for a second see Ronnie at the top of the screen, slowly jogging and out of position.

Ronaldinho still has talent, but I just dont think this team can succeed with him in the role he was used this game. Robinho would have been a much better fit on the right wing. You can't have three guys up top doing absolutely nothing but standing around and drifting into channels... and if I have to choose only two its Ibra and Pato... and if I have to choose three its those two and Robinho. Playing Ronnie on the wing there without someone to cover for the liabilities in his game won't work. Its madness and we'll get burnt time after time if we run those guys up there (especially with that midfield selection).

[han2503]

Yeah, I watch him all the time. He usually screws around for an hour and has to be subbed out. Sometimes he scores a PK.

Ronaldinho consistently drifted into the middle, insisting on getting into the same space as Ibra. He likes to operate at the top of the box. He never tracks back or marks opposing wide players at all and we put him on the same wing as Cesena's most dangerous players. His lack of effort was in large part responsible for the first goal b/c he came inside forward and going back he did not give any attention to Ceccarelli, who was totally free and able to deliver a perfect cross to Bogdani. Ceccarelli brought the ball up the field uncontested time after time. Huge issue. Watch a replay of the first goal. See how open the man is and you can for a second see Ronnie at the top of the screen, slowly jogging and out of position.

Ronaldinho still has talent, but I just dont think this team can succeed with him in the role he was used this game. Robinho would have been a much better fit on the right wing. You can't have three guys up top doing absolutely nothing but standing around and drifting into channels... and if I have to choose only two its Ibra and Pato... and if I have to choose three its those two and Robinho. Playing Ronnie on the wing there without someone to cover for the liabilities in his game won't work. Its madness and we'll get burnt time after time if we run those guys up there (especially with that midfield selection).

That side had Ambro and Antonini on it. They should have been able to keep that left side under wraps, it's not Dinho's job to mark players. And Antonini was the one who should have stopped the cross and Sokratis lost his man. That's how the goal came about.

Also you say you want to play Robinho over Dinho, the man is just as lazy when it comes to tracking back. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[CHU-LIP]

Also you say you want to play Robinho over Dinho, the man is just as lazy when it comes to tracking back. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

The same Robinho that seems to have tracked back a lot last match?

[han2503]

The same Robinho that seems to have tracked back a lot last match?

He tracked back twice, it's not like he spent 90 full minutes running back and forth. Robhino never tracks back, I've been watching him since his first season at Real, he's always been that way. Ronaldinho is the same thing. So I don't really understand slating one while being ok with the other doing it.

[CHU-LIP]

He tracked back twice, it's not like he spent 90 full minutes running back and forth. Robhino never tracks back, I've been watching him since his first season at Real, he's always been that way. Ronaldinho is the same thing. So I don't really understand slating one while being ok with the other doing it.

That's kinda hard to do as a sub. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Who cares how he has been at Real, if he tracks back at Milan, that's what matter. But apparently he did track back last match so it's unfair to call him lazy in that. Do that after a match he actually is lazy. Now it's badly timed to call him that way.

[han2503]

That's kinda hard to do as a sub. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Who cares how he has been at Real, if he tracks back at Milan, that's what matter. But apparently he did track back last match so it's unfair to call him lazy in that. Do that after a match he actually is lazy. Now it's badly timed to call him that way.

It's something you say (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) . Still, he spent nearly 40 minutes on the pitch, I saw him tracking back twice. A true example of someone tracking back was Pato, imo, not just because he had longer on the pitch, but he was doing it on a consistant basis.

Players rarely change the way they play. Robinho is a wonderful player, same goes for Dinho. Both aren't known for their hard work when the team isn't in possession. Dinho tracked back constantly against Lecce. But against Cesena he was completely out of it. Robinho did it a couple of times as well against Cesena, but I seriously doubt they'll incorporate this into their normal game.

I think both can be used differently. And to our advantage if used right. Both offer different things, tracking back is not something I look to when I view either player

[CHU-LIP]

I actually want Ronaldinho and Robinho to track back, it should be a part of their roles. We play 4-3-3 and as wide forward it's a bad thing to rarely track back. i believe it's up to the coach, Allegri, to make clear to such player to track back or go to the bench. Nice we got only 3 spots for 4 players that want to be a starter so bad.

[han2503]

I actually want Ronaldinho and Robinho to track back, it should be a part of their roles. We play 4-3-3 and as wide forward it's a bad thing to rarely track back. i believe it's up to the coach, Allegri, to make clear to such player to track back or go to the bench. Nice we got only 3 spots for 4 players that want to be a starter so bad.

Obviously I want that too, but I accept both players for what they are, yes it is up to Allegri.

And yes it is nice to have 4 WC players for 3 positions. We'll see how that works out. I can see Dinho leaving by the end of the year though, and that will cause us problems as we don't really have a creative mind in that forward line, aside from maybe Ibra, but that is not his job as the CF