[CHU-LIP]

Sokratis may be a very good alternative, but last season when we lost Nesta at a huge part of our season, when we faced Man U, Nesta is a huge loss for these types of games, and Sokratis, no matter how good he is, would be a major step down no matter which way you look at it. He'll be more then good in Serie A, but this is what worries me. Last season was ended in the span of 2 weeks, simply because we lost Nesta and Pato at such a crucial point in the season.

Nesta out is of course a step down. But so is every big player, so also Inter's big players like Sneijder, Maicon, Milito, Lucio, J.César, Zanetti, etc..... but it looks like you don't see the difference with last season.. last season our central defense depth sucked very hard.. now it's very good.. Sokratis is a very good central defender.. of course no Nesta, but he is very good, also for CL matches.. and now we got Robinho as backup for Pato, instead of playing Huntelaar as RW... I see a HUGE difference with last season.. while Inter LOST Balotelli and didn't get a proper forward backup instead.. they are now the one relying on their starting forwards, not AC Milan anymore.

Yes Robinho is a WC player and isn't really even a step down from Pato, we have the same quality no matter who plays imo, but you also ignored what I osted regarding his attitude and how we'll be able to handle him. And the personality clashes that are bound to happen if Allegri is not careful enough.

You just are looking for things to worry about. Time will tell, it doesn't has to become a problem. We got a good environment, and 4 good players for 3 players and a whole lot of matches. It see it as a good thing we got 4 players who should start for 3 positions instead of just 3 like last season and Huntelaar backing up Pato's RW position.

I personally don't like Seedorf in Pirlo's position, he cannot do what Pirlo does, not in a million years. And yes we do have great backups, but our starting midfield is old. We're going to face problems in this area no doubt, especially id Allegri doesn't find a way to rotate them effectively.

Seedorf played very good in Pirlo's role pre-season and also before. Of course you can keep saying that if one of our starters is out that the backup can't do the same, but EVERY club has that too. That's why one is a starter, the other is not. Seedorf is a good backup.

We got Prince and Flamini who add pace etc. Start Boateng and midfield is not old and slow. I hope Allegri finds the right rotation, but of course you are thinking about it might not happen, since you are pessimistic IMO.

I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist, and while I am hopeful for this season, I am also keeping my feet firmly on the ground. There are a lot of question marks that are yet to be answered, from how the players will gel together to how the dressing room atmosphere will be once all the euphoria dies down and these player get into the nitty gritty of the season.

Call yourself a realist, but you are very good in making AC Milan looking bad, while easily could done the same with Inter but you don't. You are really good at finding things to concern about while they don't have to come out that way.

Like I said, we'll see, but I'm going to keep saying that Inter are the clear favourites until this team proves otherwise. And like i said, atm the Scudetto is Inter's to lose

Both Inter and AC Milan should feel like losers when not winning the Scudetto.

[han2503]

It seems like you are forgetting that Inter have as backups Cordoba, Chivu and Materazzi. I really can't see how Sokratis, Bonera and Yepes can be inferior to them. In fact, I think we have better backups than them.

Stop bringing last season's example. Last season we didn't have alternatives. When Nesta go injured, we played Favalli. When Pato got injured, we played Beckham/Huntelaar/Seedorf. This time around we have no problems of such nature.

Personally, I think the attitude matter some of your bring up every now and then is a lame excuse. Milan's locker room has never had personality issues over the course of the years, regardless of the various players who've played for us. The only negative rumor I can think of is Kaladze's recent one, and that had only to do with the board, not with the players/coach.

Of course, playing Seedorf in front of the defense is not the same as playing Pirlo, they're both different players. But Clarence has proved during his career he can adapt to almost every position on the pitch. Our game might lose some brilliance, but the quality is still there.

Last season is a valid example. The dip in quality between Nesta and Sokratis will be felt in the huge games. Maybe not against mid-table opposition in the league but against really good teams it will show. Cordoba and Matrix you have a point, but Chivu is a great CB who often is wasted a FB at Inter, and imo is better then any of our backups...

It's not an e excuse really, it's reality. Milan have never had such problems because we don't usually have players with such personalities. Robinho can be a serious problem if he's not well disciplines. While Ibra has a huge ego and if that ego is bruised he'll cause trouble. A lot of this will fall on Allegri and whether or not he can handle them.

Imo, Seedorf is best played on the left of the midfield. Flamini or Boateng could take the central spot and it would produce better results then playing Seedorf as a regista

[X-Offender]

han, you talk as if all the things above are a sure thing to happen - as if Nesta will get injured exactly when we'll play against a big side, as if Robinho and Ibra will surely screw our locker room and as if Pirlo will miss most of the season. The same could very well happen to Inter as far as I'm concerned. No disrespect, but I'm with CHU-LIP one this one - you are just trying to make look bad what's possibly the most competitive team we've had in years.

[han2503]

@ Chu and x-off

I'm not finding ways to make milan look bad, I'm discussing these things with fellow Milan fans, and imo, all the concerns I have listed are real ones. That a lot are choosing to ignore.

Would I like to be proved wrong? YES a million times over. But I'm choosing not to let all this hype lead me to thinking that all is perfect and that the Scudetto is already ours, because I could easily be in for a massive cold shower

[CHU-LIP]

Han, I never said we are perfect, and I also didn't say that Scudetto is already ours. I said Inter and AC Milan are both challenging for it, and finally I see AC Milan as favourites, so I did predict we will win it (that's fun), but it will be close, I expect, between the two.

Like X-Offender said that you keep saying that when Nesta is out, but why not mention that when Sneijder is out in a crucial game Inter are ****ed? Sokratis is actually starting material, their Sneijder backup, not so much. Of course, we will miss Nesta for several reasons, but we still have a good central defense then (unlike last season). But seriously, this is such a BS reason since you can say the same about all clubs, while this season we actually got good backups for Pato and Nesta. Sokratis and Robinho. Wow!

[han2503]

Han, I never said we are perfect, and I also didn't say that Scudetto is already ours. I said Inter and AC Milan are both challenging for it, and finally I see AC Milan as favourites, so I did predict we will win it (that's fun), but it will be close, I expect, between the two.

Like X-Offender said that you keep saying that when Nesta is out, but why not mention that when Sneijder is out in a crucial game Inter are ****ed? Sokratis is actually starting material, their Sneijder backup, not so much. Of course, we will miss Nesta for several reasons, but we still have a good central defense then (unlike last season). But seriously, this is such a BS reason since you can say the same about all clubs, while this season we actually got good backups for Pato and Nesta. Sokratis and Robinho. Wow!

I'm not just saying you, but a lot of people already are.

Also Nesta is very injury prone, so an injury is the norm in his case. Nothin is certain. And maybe I've been reading too much football forums lately which are questioning the "new" Milan a lot which in-turn has given me all these different scenarios to think about, and all these worries being put in my head....

Like I said, I'm holding my judgement for later on, as to how close to Inter we are. But If I'm proven wrong I'll gladly say so.

I've already got an Ibrahimovic signature to show that I have been wrong in the past, so I stick to my word. If this turns out to be a good season for us, I'll gladly admit I was wrong

[Dzeko]

Hello,


I worked a little to see how much our striker did score a goals :

INZAGHI App Goals
Piacenza FC 2 0
Albinoleffe 21 13
Hellas Verona 36 13
Piacenza FC 37 15
AC Parma 15 2
Atalanta BC 33 24
Juventus 120 57
AC Milan 132 45
Italija 57 25
453 194


PATO
Internacional 10 6
AC Milan 56 26
Brazil 8 1
74 33


IBRAHIMOVIC
Malmö FF 40 16
Ajax 74 35
Juventus 70 23
Inter 88 57
FC Barcelona 29 16
301 147


RONALDHINO
Grêmio 110 37
PSG 55 17
FC Barcelona 207 94
A.C. Milan 65 20
Brazil 87 32
524 200


ROBHINO
Santos 111 46
Real Madrid 101 25
Manchester City 41 14
→ Santos 2 0
Brazil U23 8 3
Brazil 80 25
343 113



TOTAL APP/ GOALS 1695/ 574
This 5 players in totally score 2,952961672 per match

I think we have most powerfull attack in the world!!!

This post has been edited by Dzeko: Sep 3 2010, 02:08 PM

[han2503]

Hello,


I worked a little to see how much our striker did score a goals :

INZAGHI App Goals
Piacenza FC 2 0
Albinoleffe 21 13
Hellas Verona 36 13
Piacenza FC 37 15
AC Parma 15 2
Atalanta BC 33 24
Juventus 120 57
AC Milan 132 45
Italija 57 25
453 194


PATO
Internacional 10 6
AC Milan 56 26
Brazil 8 1
74 33


IBRAHIMOVIC
Malmö FF 40 16
Ajax 74 35
Juventus 70 23
Inter 88 57
FC Barcelona 29 16
301 147


RONALDHINO
Grêmio 110 37
PSG 55 17
FC Barcelona 207 94
A.C. Milan 65 20
Brazil 87 32
524 200


ROBHINO
Santos 111 46
Real Madrid 101 25
Manchester City 41 14
→ Santos 2 0
Brazil U23 8 3
Brazil 80 25
343 113



TOTAL APP/ GOALS 1695/ 574
This 5 players in totally score 2,952961672 per match

I think we have most powerfull attack in the world!!!

Can you give us a source for this?

Some of the numbers seem to be off, I just read a couple of days ago that pato got his 40 something goal against Lecce....

[X-Offender]

Yeah man, Pato has scored 43 goals with Milan, not 26.

[I_Rossoneri]

Yeah man, Pato has scored 43 goals with Milan, not 26.

Is that in all competitions though? It could be that Dzeko's stats are for league only?

And in regards the discussion about the ego problems of Ibra and Binho, IMO both players have something to prove this season and(hopefully) both will have a first season enthusiasm. My worry is more about the second season, because if either have an outstanding season will they hold Milan ransom for higher wages or force moves? Ibra's agent seems even worse than Roberto Assis!!!!!!

Edit: And with regards to the thread the best summer transfer was Silvio re-igniting his interest in Milan (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

This post has been edited by I_Rossoneri: Sep 5 2010, 03:18 PM

[CHU-LIP]

Stats are for noobs who don't have any other way to judge forwards anyway. Stats don't say that much really. But obviously having Pato, Ibrahimovic, Ronaldinho and Robinho gives us one of the better attacks out there. No stats needed to make that conclusion.

[han2503]

Stats are very important for strikers. Sure you can say oh he plays his @ss off for the team and helps the others out, tracks back, bla, bla, but if a striker's scoring record doesn't back that up he's not doing his job well, which is to score.

If we were talking about a defender or midfielder then I agree that stats aren't really important but for strikers it's the most important thing, because in a black and white world if you're not scoring then you're pretty much useless. No one is going to care how much effort is put into helping the team all people care about is the numbers

[CHU-LIP]

Well, obviously it's important for a striker to score goals. That's true. But stats can give you a wrong impression about a striker. Huntelaar scored a lot of goals in his career, but enough strikers are better than him while their stats are less impressive. Huntelaar goal ratio probably was better than Borriello's last season, but we all know Borriello actually pwns him in being a better forward (at least for AC Milan).

[Linkman]

Is he? Borriello's goal/minute ratio was probably awful.

I'm not one for stats either, but comparisons can be made.

[Danny]

I'm shocked Ibra leads this by a mile. Robinho by a mile for me.