[han2503]

Tinted glasses? Come on, that's ridiculous. You are the same way (but opposite) about Rino and Ambro as I am, so don't play that card.

Rino and Flamini are terrible in the air. Yes, I'm not talking about in the opponnents box, but in the middle of the field and in their own box, they are terrible. I think Rino is terrible at passing a ball, Flamini is the type that will have a very good pass rate since he generally plays the ball short and quickly to the guys that can do something with it. Ambro is definitly more creative with his passing, yes he will make a bad pass every now and then, but he'll try more longer searching balls than the other 2.

I always said that Rino is definately no Pirlo when it comes to his passing bu he's better at it because he passes it quickly toPirlo, so rarely loses it, while Ambro tries the long diagonals and long balls all the time and rarely do they ever turn into something as they usually end up with the opposition...

Both Rino and Flamini are good at challenging in the air from the middle of the pitch, they might not have Ambro's towering jump but they're still good at it. Rino is not a good passer of the ball in the Pirlo sense, but he's good at releasing it quickly and rarely does he pass it to the opposition, unlike Ambro who tends to spend too much time with the ball then attempts stupid passes that will never hit the mark. Flamini is our best passer, he makes both long and short range passes which are actually good.

International level doesn't really mean anything. Pato hasn't been called up for Brazil, yet I think Fabiano has, does this mean we are stupid not to have signed Fabiano and sold Pato to Chelsea. We'd end up with more money and a better player.

Pato has been called up for Brazil on more then one occasion so that's a moot point and the reason Fabiano gets the start over him is because of his physicality which is what works for Brazil with the way they play. It doesn't mean that one is better then the other, just that one has the characteristics needed for the way Brazil play.

I don't really recall Rino being picked over Ambro alot, he usually only ever misses games when he's injured or suspended. How we could have done with him in Istanbul, there's no way that would have happened if he played. While Rino had an abysmal 2nd half.

Hmm lte's see when Rino was picked over Ambro, all through 2002 to 2006 Rino was always the one that started in the DM position while Ambro was either benched or injured. He said himself that he was thinking of leaving during those times becuase he was on the bench a lot. In 07 both played because Seedorf was moved into the attaching mid position so there was a spot for both and the last 2 seasons Rino was injured a lot, but when he was fit and we were going to play with just 1 DM Rino always got the start ahead of him.

And you're really going to blame Intanbul on the fact that Ambro wasn't there?? The entire team switched off, I'm 100% sure that had Ambro been on we would still have lost that game. And Ambro was there when we nearly lost it in the semis against PSV as well, we let 3 goal in that night and he was on the pitch to.

There were not 3 players that had a better game, Ambro was incredible that night, he won the ball back pretty much every time he attempted to, not just winning 1 every 10 with 'lunging' tackles. I think you'll find it was a smuch Ambro as it was Rino that kept Rooney and Ronaldo quiet, you're kidding yourself if you think 1 man can mark those 2 out of a game.

I don't agree with much of what the club does, but Ambro for captain is spot on.

It was the combo of Rino and Oddo that handled Man U's left side, which was where Rooney and C.R were operating. While Ambro had Flethcer and Giggs to take care of (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Its not like the club went through a lot of details when choosing the captain, he got it on default because he was here the longest. But what's really going to be ridiculous next season is the fact that our vice captain will wear the armband more then the actual captain will, becuase there is no way that Ambro will get the start ahead of the other mids we have that can play in that position

[kurtsimonw]

What a poor game to pick on..

And Ambro was there when we nearly lost it in the semis against PSV as well, we let 3 goal in that night and he was on the pitch to.

So? Gattuso played in that game to, so he was just as bad. If it weren't for Ambro in that game, we wouldn't have even got to Istanbul in the first place. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[Tennie]

Should Fishdoll get out his popcorn for this one? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[dst]

I agree with Kurt on his second to last post except for the point he makes that Ambro is more creative than the others. Surely he has a better long ball than Rino but he never creates something out of it, it's mostly horizontal balls.

The reason I'd pick Gattuso ahead of Ambro is because the former avoids making mistakes when trying to take the ball out our area. Ambro thinks he can create a counter-attack with a straight ball but almost always we end up having trouble because these passes get stopped. This is not a minor negative part of his game, it happens in every match at least once.

I think Flamini is way ahead of these two when it comes to going forward and just as good in defense and if it was not for Gattuso's heart (which I think brings a lot to our game and lifts the team up) and Ambrosini's undying passion I'd pick him ahead of these in purely footballing terms.

As for the captaincy I don't understand what the fuss is all about. There's no one that can be compared to our last two captains so for me it was not all that important who would get it. Besides, whoever IS a captain does not need an armband to show it... Gattuso captains the team with an armband or not and so does Ambro.

[il_diavolo_mtl]

Ambrosini loses the ball way too easily for a DMF and I don't see how he is a better passer than the other two, especially Flamini. I don't think Ambrosini has ever made a forward pass in his career.

HAHAHAHAHAHA i was thinking the same thing, ambro is washed up and it's an insult to Rino/Pirlo that THEY don't see their efforts rewarded with the armband!

[il_diavolo_mtl]

I agree with Kurt on his second to last post except for the point he makes that Ambro is more creative than the others. Surely he has a better long ball than Rino but he never creates something out of it, it's mostly horizontal balls.

The reason I'd pick Gattuso ahead of Ambro is because the former avoids making mistakes when trying to take the ball out our area. Ambro thinks he can create a counter-attack with a straight ball but almost always we end up having trouble because these passes get stopped. This is not a minor negative part of his game, it happens in every match at least once.

I think Flamini is way ahead of these two when it comes to going forward and just as good in defense and if it was not for Gattuso's heart (which I think brings a lot to our game and lifts the team up) and Ambrosini's undying passion I'd pick him ahead of these in purely footballing terms.

As for the captaincy I don't understand what the fuss is all about. There's no one that can be compared to our last two captains so for me it was not all that important who would get it. Besides, whoever IS a captain does not need an armband to show it... Gattuso captains the team with an armband or not and so does Ambro.

Completely agree, it's hard to say it, but flamini is definitely our overall best midfielder, while no ronaldhino, i think we will see this year, while rino and ambro square the ball, or send it back to the backline, Pirlo and Flamini will push the ball forward.

[Bluesummers]

Saying ambro is better than gattuso is pretty bold considering one is considered one of the best DMF of all time and the other is just known as a bench player, but to consider him better than flamini (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) now i've heard it all!


As it stands right now flamini=gattuso+ambrosini because he does both their jobs just as good if not better than them and contributes to the attack a lot more than those two. As many people have said already, look at the number of passes completed/balls lost when you compare the three and you will see Flamini stands on his own level in comparison to those two. Rino and ambro are equally bad at passing as they are reckless. Rino seems to get away with more than ambro does but that is because his reputation plays a huge role in that.

If flamini is benched for either one in an important game i'll consider Leo clueless about his job.

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Aug 21 2009, 04:12 PM

[kurtsimonw]

Saying ambro is better than gattuso is pretty bold considering one is considered one of the best DMF of all time and the other is just known as a bench player, but to consider him better than flamini (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) now i've heard it all!

You may consider it a 'bold statement' but I think it's pretty straightforward to be honest. There is not a single part of Rino's game that is better than Ambro's, in my opinion.

Best DM of all-time? Now I've heard it all. Over-rating of players taken to the extreme.

[il_diavolo_mtl]

I've got to go with the saskachawanian (sorry for butchering it) Look at the trofeo berlusconi performance of Rino and honestly tell me ambro could have played like that!

[Bluesummers]

You may consider it a 'bold statement' but I think it's pretty straightforward to be honest. There is not a single part of Rino's game that is better than Ambro's, in my opinion.

Best DM of all-time? Now I've heard it all. Over-rating of players taken to the extreme.

He's a world cup winner, 2x champions league winner and has been playing at the top of europe wanted by all clubs for about 3 seasons at least. Gattuso is a legend and known worldwide while ambro is....captain of milan (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)


But I just don't see it kurt. I know its your opinion but to me it sounds like your saying Stankovic is better than Kaka as an example. I just don't see it.

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Aug 21 2009, 06:12 PM

[Bluesummers]

I've got to go with the saskachawanian (sorry for butchering it) Look at the trofeo berlusconi performance of Rino and honestly tell me ambro could have played like that!

exactly +1. Rino is called animal for a reason. Ambro could never played like that.

[han2503]

What a poor game to pick on..

So? Gattuso played in that game to, so he was just as bad. If it weren't for Ambro in that game, we wouldn't have even got to Istanbul in the first place. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I never said that things wouldn't have happened had this or that player been on the pitch. You were the one that said that had there been Ambro playing in Istanbul things wouldn't have gone that way, which imo is totally ridiculous seeing as the entire team switched off and I'm pretty sure Ambro would have made no difference...

And yes Ambro did in the end score the goal in that match, but when it came to doing his actual job he wasn't all that great along with the entire team who played badly that night and still let 3 goals in. So what I'm essentially saying is we were still poor even though Ambro was on the pitch that night.

@ dst, even though no one can compare to our previous 2 captains I still think that its an important decision to make and a player shouldn't be captain just because he's been with a club the longest. Also the fact that the captain should be a regular starter in the team, not someone that in most likelihood will be on the bench for the majority of the matches

@ blue, saying that Rino is one of the best DMs of all time is stretching it a lot. But he is concidered as one of the best oh his generation. And when it came down to it Rino was the one that was wanted by the top clubs and not Ambro.

[Bluesummers]

@ blue, saying that Rino is one of the best DMs of all time is stretching it a lot. But he is concidered as one of the best oh his generation. And when it came down to it Rino was the one that was wanted by the top clubs and not Ambro.

He's in the top 10 or 20 list forsure. Ambro is not.

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Aug 21 2009, 06:15 PM

[Locke Lamora]

He's a world cup winner, 2x champions league winner and has been playing at the top of europe wanted by all clubs for about 3 seasons at least. Gattuso is a legend and known worldwide while ambro is....captain of milan (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

But I just don't see it kurt. I know its your opinion but to me it sounds like your saying Stankovic is better than Kaka. I just don't see it.

I think I'm pretty much the man in the middle here, as I rate both players(Gattuso slightly higher than Ambro though).
What makes Gattuso so famous is his numerous clashes with opposition players and fierce way of playing. He makes himself noticed, and in no way am I criticising him for that, but the fact that Ambrosini is a less noticeable player doesn't automatically make him better. In fact, Ambrosini has a better goal rate than Gattuso, he's stronger in the air, is more tactically aware and he has better technique. Gattuso beats him on stamina, strength and tackling, and he's marvelous at winding up the opposition.

As for Gattuso being one of the best DMF's of all time...please Bluey, I can think of at least 10 superiors to him and even then I'm probably forgetting a bunch. I rate Gattuso very highly, and he's been, without a doubt, one of the best DMF's in recent years. But in history...blah.

[Bluesummers]

I think I'm pretty much the man in the middle here, as I rate both players(Gattuso slightly higher than Ambro though).
What makes Gattuso so famous is his numerous clashes with opposition players and fierce way of playing. He makes himself noticed, and in no way am I criticising him for that, but the fact that Ambrosini is a less noticeable player doesn't automatically make him better. In fact, Ambrosini has a better goal rate than Gattuso, he's stronger in the air, is more tactically aware and he has better technique. Gattuso beats him on stamina, strength and tackling, and he's marvelous at winding up the opposition.

As for Gattuso being one of the best DMF's of all time...please Bluey, I can think of at least 10 superiors to him and even then I'm probably forgetting a bunch. I rate Gattuso very highly, and he's been, without a doubt, one of the best DMF's in recent years. But in history...blah.

I don't doubt it, but he's up there with the best.