[Zed.D]

We look slow and toothless. apart from Kaka's shot, I doubt we managed to trouble Buffon in the first half. I thought we were badly on form and Juve in the middle of a crisis!

[Zed.D]

It's not about dislike Tennie, I think he's really improved these past couple of weeks in terms of subs and line-ups, but this Seedorf thing is just getting way too irritiating.

He's playing terribly week in week out, yet he still gets picked over Pato/Dinho for a position that is not even his, because he's not an attacking mid!!

I myself, and I'm pretty sure alot of the others here are tired of this.

JESUS YOU SEE HOW SEEDORF PASSES? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Great post btw.

[CrazyMilanFan]

HT i wouldnt say juve totallly dominated but in a way they dominated and had some really good chances... let see what kind of subs we make will it be HT sub or will carlo bring pato for beckham ( yellow) on 75 mark

[Tennie]

I don't think Ronaldinho would be very effective, sorry. Remember what happened last time we played the Gobbi.

And I actually have faith in the coach's selections. If he picked Seedorf, it was for a good reason - like the one you yourself cited, han: Seedorf tends to score against Juve.

But I'm not going to argue further, not on this one because I think it's silly. If some people want to go on an anti-Carlo-he's-ruining-Pato and anti-Seedorf witch hunt, have at it.

[han2503]

HT

It was a meh sort of first half

We need to step it up big time, these aren't Chievo and Catania, no matter in what for they are.

Seedorf just needs to come off, end of. I don't care who comes on to replace him at this point but he needs to be taken off ASAP

[Zed.D]

I don't think Ronaldinho would be very effective, sorry. Remember what happened last time we played the Gobbi.

He assisted a goal.

[Tennie]

I'd like to see Rino come on in the second.

I'd also like to see Pato come in.

Seedorf hasn't been very effective (I do agree on that, just not on the level of venom that some folks are showing). Neither has Kaka.

+1 cookie each to Flamini and to Favster, who I think have been good.

[Tennie]

He assisted a goal.

Yes, but he did nothing helping in defense and for large chunks of the game, he had his @ss handed to him by a 22 year old who wasn't even expected to play in the game (Marchisio).

[CrazyMilanFan]

yea flamini has been best and i think after him favilli has been really solid and pushed forward as well

[han2503]

I don't think Ronaldinho would be very effective, sorry. Remember what happened last time we played the Gobbi.

And I actually have faith in the coach's selections. If he picked Seedorf, it was for a good reason - like the one you yourself cited, han: Seedorf tends to score against Juve.

But I'm not going to argue further, not on this one because I think it's silly. If some people want to go on an anti-Carlo-he's-ruining-Pato and anti-Seedorf witch hunt, have at it.

Sorry have to reply to this even though I know how you feel about it and just have to say that it's not an anti Carlo thing, at least not on my part, I'm more anti Seedorf atm, I already stated why I think that Carlo fields him and I don't see it as 100% favouritism but rather Carlo not wanting confrontations...

And sure he tends to score against Juve but the keyword here is tends, it's not like it's garaunteed that he will score. He hasn't actually scored against them since 05/06 (IIRC (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) ). And I'm sorry but his "tendency" to score against them is not a good enough reason to play him, especially if he's in the form he's in. And I don't remember him having a tendency to score against Catania, Torino, Chievo etc, yet he still started against them.

And I think even the primavera goalie would be more effective then Seedorf at this point. He's just way too static, slow and complacent, especially these past few weeks, were it's gotten to a point where it's awful to watch him labouring around the pitch and making mistakes.

And personally I think Dinho would be more effective because of his passing and ability in tight spaces, something neither Pato or Kaka are good at.

[Zed.D]

Yes, but he did nothing helping in defense and for large chunks of the game, he had his @ss handed to him by a 22 year old who wasn't even expected to play in the game (Marchisio).

I somehow agree about Dinho and as you can see I rarely complain when he's on bench. you may call it favoritism, but if Pato's performances over the season indicate anything it's that he should play.

[CrazyMilanFan]

i think r80 and pato are coming on

[Zed.D]

No subs made it seems

[I_Rossoneri]

HT

It was a meh sort of first half

We need to step it up big time, these aren't Chievo and Catania, no matter in what for they are.

Seedorf just needs to come off, end of. I don't care who comes on to replace him at this point but he needs to be taken off ASAP

Totally agree, the amount of times he gave the ball away in the first half I thought he was playing for Juve! I don't rate R80 much better but I would sooner have him over Seedorf.

We need to give Pippo some help upfront if we're to win this, and another forward will create space for Ricky to weave some magic. Hopefully carlo's clever enough to realise this (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[han2503]

Yes, but he did nothing helping in defense and for large chunks of the game, he had his @ss handed to him by a 22 year old who wasn't even expected to play in the game (Marchisio).

I don't understand this 'he did not help in defence' theory.

Especially when I see Seedorf walking around on the other end of the pitch when we don't have the ball