[han2503]

Since he doesn't have his own thread here in the players section I decided to open this one. And after the other night's game I really feel that we have something special on our hands here.

This is a video of him against Lyon, Rennes won 4 - 1 but it is a shame that his goal isn't in this video

Gourcuff: Rennes - Lyon: 4 - 1

Look at how he ran circles around the French champions, and the team that gave us a really hard time in the CL

And this is a video on youtube that dst found

Gourcuff - Youtube.com

And look at his amazing pass to Seedorf before he made Inzaghi's assist for the first goal against Lecco

Lecco - Milan

Not to mention his amazing goal against Toulouse

Rennes - Toulouse

This post has been edited by m1ke: Aug 1 2008, 08:26 PM

[acid911]

His games after that were just poor.

Games? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) It was personal vendetta after that, between him and Carlo. Just like the one the coach had with Simic. Ancelotti may be a very good coach, but he sure has an elitist attitude going. If someone falls from his eyes, good luck with climbing back up. He never got the deserved chance, attitude problems aside. We'll see how he fares in the French league, which to be honest he's started well.

If it can include anyone and everyone including Pato, Gorcuff was a nobody compared to the Brazilian. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[kurtsimonw]

I can't find all the stats for how many minutes Gourcuff played. But I do think starts is a good way to indicate how many chances you have, coming off the bench is hardly a chance!

In two seasons in Milan, Gourcuff started 9 games. That's 9 out of 76 games! He made 23 substitute appearances, but even including the substitute appearances he hasn't even played close to 50% of the games.

[Tennie]

Why do people think Pato is being excluded? He didn't start against Bologna but...?

[Tennie]

^^ Gosh, Kurt. That's interesting. Then I saw 2 of those 9 games because he started both games I attended at the San Siro in 2006-7.

[acid911]

In two seasons in Milan, Gourcuff started 9 games. That's 9 out of 76 games! He made 23 substitute appearances, but even including the substitute appearances he hasn't even played close to 50% of the games.

76, and these are not including Europe, Copa, and friendly matches. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) The Frenchman must have ticked Carlo off bad.

Why do people think Pato is being excluded? He didn't start against Bologna but...?

It's not that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) There was a bit of a patch last season when he was deliberately benched. Ask zd about that. Sure Inzaghi was in fine form then, but this still doesn't mean that Pato had to be relegated to the seat when we had all those problems in attack. Not scoring goals, but still no sign of him.

And oh, just for the record I just took an example of Pato, seeing as he's a youngster like Gorcuff. Not always a bad thing, but Carlo would happily bench anyone this side of Kaladze, Seedorf, and Brocchi. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) That's just how he likes to do things. Maybe Gorcuff brought his own shares of troubles, but it still felt really weird at that time not seeing him when goals were not coming by and we were losing matches here and there.

I still remember tons of forum posts (here at Milanfan and other forums) hoping that Gorcuff would get a chance, so there you have it Giancarlo. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) At least, Gila was consistently started and given a run or two.

[Tennie]

Gosh. I must be the only one not having a problem with Pippo having started those games at the end of the season. I think the most in form players should be played and Pippo was definitely in form at the time.

[acid911]

Why not start both Tennie? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) Considering we didn't do all that well in some of those matches (even though Pippo was on a goalscoring spree), we could have used all the help we could find. Pato doesn't have a birthright to start every match, yes, but once we had him back from injury, why waste a talent on the bench for a stretch of matches, when he could be better used on the pitch?

Pato is not the point here, of course. Point is Carlo and his benching of talent. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Or in simpler words, his stubbornness. Which takes away his gloss somewhat, what with him being one of the best tactical minds around.

[gal_kenny]

Its not always about those that are in form..Everybody has to play..I understand why Inzaghi had to play all those games at the end of the season but everybody has to play in order to be in form..I think that this team should be really rotated well..Every single person should play a minimum of 14-15 games this season but that's Carlo's problem..Back to Gourcuff..I'm pretty sure seedorf would soon leave or put on the bench..Gourcuff should come back quick cuz he's a faster and a more motivated version of seedorf

[Zed.D]

Carlo can be wrong about benching youngsters sometimes. I will always remember how he benched Pato for no reason (except for Pippo's good run - but we could have played with TWO on form strikers instead of one...) towards the end of the season, but on the last matchday it was Pato, ironically, who came off the bench on 45th minute, scored 2 minutes later, made as assist for Inzaghi, hit the crossbar once, and did some other good things in just 45 minutes to help stop a huge embarrassment. Udinese were leading 0-1 at the half time and Pippo was a starter. regardless of what Fiorentina was doing in the other game, we should've won our last home game and NOTHING in the 1st half indicated that we were doing so.

Of course no one mentions these things... people just say how overrated Pato is.

This post has been edited by zdrossoneri: Sep 13 2008, 06:51 AM

[KillerMax]

I'm pretty sure seedorf would soon leave or put on the bench..Gourcuff should come back quick cuz he's a faster and a more motivated version of seedorf

Gourcuff is not faster than Seedorf. Gourcuff is more similar to Zidane. Skillful and great vision. Seedorf is more powerfull, can hold onto the ball like no other and has a great shot.

[KillerMax]

Of course no one mentions these things... people just say how overrated Pato is.

Haven't heard that one a lot. But I agree 100% on that Carletto is playing with Pato's confidence. He is such an irritating coach when it comes to these matters.

[Zed.D]

Haven't heard that one a lot. But I agree 100% on that Carletto is playing with Pato's confidence. He is such an irritating coach when it comes to these matters.

I've heard more than enough. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Giancarlo]

Stop blaming Carlo for Pato's problems. Pato even played well in the last game of the season.

The guy who screwed with his confidence was none other than Dunga. Seriously. Stop blaming Carlo. He's played him still nonetheless.

Dunga just dropped him completely and attacked the kid's confidence.

Pato should have never went to the Olympics.

[kurtsimonw]

Of course no one mentions these things... people just say how overrated Pato is.

He's way over-rated. We should have gave him to Arsenal + £15m for Adebayor. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I do think Carlo made some bad decisions regarding Pato last season. In the last 6 games of the season, he only appeared in 4. He only played 126 minutes in these 4 games yet scored 2 goals and made an assist, I just don't get why Carlo dropped him. People will argue Inzaghi did well, but Pippo only got his chances because Pato was unnecessarily dropped.

[Giancarlo]

He's way over-rated. We should have gave him to Arsenal + £15m for Adebayor. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I do think Carlo made some bad decisions regarding Pato last season. In the last 6 games of the season, he only appeared in 4. He only played 126 minutes in these 4 games yet scored 2 goals and made an assist, I just don't get why Carlo dropped him. People will argue Inzaghi did well, but Pippo only got his chances because Pato was unnecessarily dropped.

Remember when Pato hurt his leg and was out for some games? Yes that doesn't explain some of his absences... but he was often used as a second half substitute as well.