[sakhratul]

agree with u max... gourcuff should have been given more chances to play to help him develop into a better player.. what a waste of talent if he goes...

This post has been edited by sakhratul: Sep 12 2008, 05:09 AM

[Giancarlo]

No, I think that Gourcuff did not last in a high pressure environment like Milan. I think Pato will succeed in Milan like Kaka did. It's not about not playing Gourcuff. He flopped at Milan... his passes were just poor and everything else. We have plenty of new talent in the squad that can handle the pressure.

Gourcuff is like Gilardino. He did have his chances but he could not wear the Milan shirt and produce solid performances with it.

This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Sep 12 2008, 05:15 AM

[KillerMax]

No, I think that Gourcuff did not last in a high pressure environment like Milan. I think Pato will succeed in Milan like Kaka did. It's not about not playing Gourcuff. He flopped at Milan... his passes were just poor and everything else. We have plenty of new talent in the squad that can handle the pressure.

Gourcuff is like Gilardino. He did have his chances but he could not wear the Milan shirt and produce solid performances with it.

He was FANTASTIC in his first 6 games or so when he was given some serious playing time. And then Ancelotti just dropped him because he didn't wanna rotate or bench any of his starting 11 players. Sometimes Gourcuff didn't play for a whole month... That's not developing a player... That's not buckling under pressure... That's just bad coaching. Of course he started playing bad after that.

[vnata001]

He was FANTASTIC in his first 6 games or so when he was given some serious playing time. And then Ancelotti just dropped him because he didn't wanna rotate or bench any of his starting 11 players. Sometimes Gourcuff didn't play for a whole month... That's not developing a player... That's not buckling under pressure... That's just bad coaching. Of course he started playing bad after that.

agreed. there were COUNTLESS times when we were absolutely impotent up in attack and Carlo would sub Brocchi on leaving Gourcuff warming up. Almost everyone in the forum would curse Carlo in the match threads for doing so. We all saw the mismanaging of Gourcuff before our eyes, and discussed it every time it happened. When he would get subbed on finally, it was usually in one of those matches we showed no signs of winning..and he would come on in the 80+ minute, with no continuity or confidence (because Carlo never showed him any real faith) and he wouldn't really add anything MORE to the team that was already playing poorly. Plus, when he did come on, he rarely was passed the ball. That is not Gourcuff's fault, nor should it be considered him FLOPPING.

A player that needs development should be integrated into the team during games that we are winning where he can come into the game when the team is playing well, therefore he'll feel confident, and the team will actually give him the ball. And then, as he finds consistency, sub him on in more important matches..and if he continues the good play, then start using him as a weapon..There were lots of times that Yoann came in while we were playing well and played well himself! See Us vs. Sampdoria (5-0), and i remember another game we were winning by a lot he came on and provided a nice assist for a headed goal.

Look at how nicely, (SAD TO SAY) Mario Balotelli was introduced to Inter's line up...or how Wenger developed Fabregas for a few seasons..he showed faith in him even when he didn't turn in game winning performances..

If we don't get him back, it will be a sad day, and something we can definitely place on a list of Carlo's blemishes, alongside his misplaced faith in Brocchi..

This post has been edited by vnata001: Sep 12 2008, 05:49 AM

[Giancarlo]

He was FANTASTIC in his first 6 games or so when he was given some serious playing time. And then Ancelotti just dropped him because he didn't wanna rotate or bench any of his starting 11 players. Sometimes Gourcuff didn't play for a whole month... That's not developing a player... That's not buckling under pressure... That's just bad coaching. Of course he started playing bad after that.

hE had plenty of chances, just like Gilardino. In fact I would say he had too many chances. This isn't bad coaching. It's simply a player not performing up to par. I wondered why Gilardino was fielded as many times as he was. I can't agree with you here. Gourcuff was given more than enough chances!

[KillerMax]

Gourcuff was given more than enough chances!

Sure.

[Zed.D]

It's not about the number of chances. it's about giving that certain player a chance in the right place and at the right time! I do remember some very stupid substitutions by Carlo, like the Celtic one... he simply smashed Gourcuff up that night by his wrong decision to play him in such atmosphere. Yoann tried to stop the ball from crossing the line and in the end made sure the ball would go in safely, later filled the offside very badly for Celtic players to score the 2nd goal... after that night Gourcuff never played well again. let's remember Gourcuff was no Kaka, he couldn't have made his way to the starting XI like Ricky, benching one great player or two on the way. Gourcuff needed help and attention from the coach and Carlo just kept giving him bad opportunities where we were either losing or the players simply didn't care to play football.

This post has been edited by zdrossoneri: Sep 12 2008, 09:11 AM

[acid911]

Very true, zd. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) You bring up a guy and ask him to turn the match around when 10 minutes are left on the clock? Start an army of DMs when all your creative players are out injured? Yeah, that's the truth. This current Milan is not the place for youngsters.

[Tennie]

Guys, don't forget that after that bright run, Yoann broke a rib and was out about a month. I know a lot of you like him - and he did apparently do well in the France game, for which I am glad - but an injury like that could have done something to his confidence. So I don't think it's necessarily ALL Ancelotti's fault.

[dst]

He was great the other night! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Unexpectedly good!

[Zed.D]

Guys, don't forget that after that bright run, Yoann broke a rib and was out about a month. I know a lot of you like him - and he did apparently do well in the France game, for which I am glad - but an injury like that could have done something to his confidence. So I don't think it's necessarily ALL Ancelotti's fault.

Considering how fragile his confidence always was, I wouldn't rule that out; an injury shouldn't do anything to a players confidence [but his physical fitness] but with Yoann you can never tell... but Yoann was with us for two seasons. that injury happened pretty much in his first months with us. I can't work that out...

[Rossoneri7]

He was great the other night! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Unexpectedly good!

Welcome back (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[aLbErTo]

if not else, he must get another chance...

[jefri91]

hE had plenty of chances, just like Gilardino. In fact I would say he had too many chances. This isn't bad coaching. It's simply a player not performing up to par. I wondered why Gilardino was fielded as many times as he was. I can't agree with you here. Gourcuff was given more than enough chances!

are you serious (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Gourcuff barely got any chances

[Giancarlo]

are you serious (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Gourcuff barely got any chances

He had plenty of chances. And then a few months after being with us, he injured himself and his confidence took a nosedive. His games after that were just poor.