[Giancarlo]

I can say that Pato has had a better goal scoring ratio than either Bojan or Balotelli. So I think it's quite wrong to say he's overrated or poor. While he has some things he can work on... he's just a kid. He has a very bright future and I'm willing to put my credibility and everything on that! I dare someone to tell me otherwise...

In 32 games, Bojan scored 10 times. Pato nearly did that in little more than half the number of games. Yet, I hear people talk about Bojan all the time about how special he is.

This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Sep 7 2008, 04:34 PM

[kurtsimonw]

I can say that Pato has had a better goal scoring ratio than either Bojan or Balotelli. So I think it's quite wrong to say he's overrated or poor. While he has some things he can work on... he's just a kid. He has a very bright future and I'm willing to put my credibility and everything on that! I dare someone to tell me otherwise...

In 32 games, Bojan scored 10 times. Pato nearly did that in little more than half the number of games. Yet, I hear people talk about Bojan all the time about how special he is.

Football isn't all about goals.

Pato better than Balotelli? I'll say so. But Bojan is a year younger than Pato, yet is a more complete player. He offers so much more than goals, but even talking of his goals, you do realise he scored 10 league goals in 14 league starts last season? I'd say that's a pretty awesome record for a then 17 year old.

Pato is over-rated, that's for sure. His first season at Milan he had the advantage of being an unknown, now teams will start to know how he plays, what he likes to do, and they'll try and stop his strengths.

[Giancarlo]

Football isn't all about goals.

Pato better than Balotelli? I'll say so. But Bojan is a year younger than Pato, yet is a more complete player. He offers so much more than goals, but even talking of his goals, you do realise he scored 10 league goals in 14 league starts last season? I'd say that's a pretty awesome record for a then 17 year old.

Pato is over-rated, that's for sure. His first season at Milan he had the advantage of being an unknown, now teams will start to know how he plays, what he likes to do, and they'll try and stop his strengths.

Actually sometimes it is... that's how you win points in the domestic tournament and such.

I vehemently disagree with that. I think Pato is far more complete than Bojan. I can't agree with that one bit. Bojan scores every now and then and misses absolute sitters...

Pato is not overrated. He can vary up and change things. But to call him overrated? I demand proof for that one. "That's for sure"? How can you possibly back that statement up? You can't. If anything, it's Bojan who is overrated... he's very predictable too.

I'll defend Pato, because I actually think he's underrated and the amount of bashing of him is kinda strange. Strange to think of it especially when Milan fans do it. When he starts scoring tons of goals this upcoming season, you'll eat your words.

Can't believe so many people are WISHING HE FAILS. I'm so disgusted.

This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Sep 7 2008, 07:04 PM

[Milan Are Brilli...]

It's alright with me, but I hope you don't claim yourself a fan if he did turn out world class in the future nor celebrate when he scored goals for us.

2- Where'd you get the idea that I don't like Sheva? you're completely wrong.

Childish, childish comment, I had more respect for you than to expect something like that back. I don't dislike him I just don't feel he's that good yet and is overrated by some of the media, as I will say below I want him to prove me wrong.

2. I can't help but get that impression from some of your recent posts.

I'll defend Pato, because I actually think he's underrated and the amount of bashing of him is kinda strange. Strange to think of it especially when Milan fans do it. When he starts scoring tons of goals this upcoming season, you'll eat your words.

Can't believe so many people are WISHING HE FAILS. I'm so disgusted.

That's exactly how I feel about Sheva.

Come off it, if that's aimed at me I've never wished he fails. I'm a Milanfan aren't I? I don't want Pato to prove me right I want him to prove me wrong. I couldn't care less about a few people I'm never going to meet say I 'told you so' because Milan is far more important to me than that.

I'm challenging him, I challenge a lot doesn't mean I want them to fail...

[Zed.D]

Football isn't all about goals.

Pato better than Balotelli? I'll say so. But Bojan is a year younger than Pato, yet is a more complete player. He offers so much more than goals, but even talking of his goals, you do realise he scored 10 league goals in 14 league starts last season? I'd say that's a pretty awesome record for a then 17 year old.

Bojan? again, Bojan comes from Barca's youth system. that's a huge advantage over someone who's come from a different country, different league, different style of football, different teammates, etc. (gosh, how many times do I have to repeat these words!?)

I have no doubt Pato's goalscoring record was better than Bojan's. Pato (if you count the minutes he played) played 13 or 14 full games and scored 9 goals. Bojan I believe played much more, I welcome it if you do a search on Barca's website about the number of minutes he played in La Liga last season. anyway, I don't want to take anything away from Bojan as he's a rare talent as well.

Pato is over-rated, that's for sure. His first season at Milan he had the advantage of being an unknown, now teams will start to know how he plays, what he likes to do, and they'll try and stop his strengths.

We'll see how he will do this season. but I better than anyone remember what you said about him when we signed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[Giancarlo]

Bojan played roughly 30 games, and scored 10 times... not 14... Pato played 17-18 games if I recall and scored 9 times.

I think people are simply wrong about Pato and saying he's overrated? There is no basis for that. Sorry.

And a question about teams knowing how he plays... well... people know how Inzaghi plays yet he still manages to score plenty of goals. Knowing is one thing. Preventing is another. Many defenders simply can't prevent Pato from scoring. That's my view on it.

This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Sep 7 2008, 07:52 PM

[kurtsimonw]

Actually sometimes it is... that's how you win points in the domestic tournament and such.

I vehemently disagree with that. I think Pato is far more complete than Bojan. I can't agree with that one bit. Bojan scores every now and then and misses absolute sitters...

Pato is not overrated. He can vary up and change things. But to call him overrated? I demand proof for that one. "That's for sure"? How can you possibly back that statement up? You can't. If anything, it's Bojan who is overrated... he's very predictable too.

I'll defend Pato, because I actually think he's underrated and the amount of bashing of him is kinda strange. Strange to think of it especially when Milan fans do it. When he starts scoring tons of goals this upcoming season, you'll eat your words.

Can't believe so many people are WISHING HE FAILS. I'm so disgusted.

Wait. So you're saying I have no proof to say Pato is over-rated (Which is impossible, nobody can prove any player is under-rated/over-rated), then go on to say Bojan is over-rated? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Want Pato to fail? No, there's a difference between me thinking he's over-rated and me wanting him to fail. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Bojan? again, Bojan comes from Barca's youth system. that's a huge advantage over someone who's come from a different country, different league, different style of football, different teammates, etc. (gosh, how many times do I have to repeat these words!?)

I have no doubt Pato's goalscoring record was better than Bojan's. Pato (if you count the minutes he played) played 13 or 14 full games and scored 9 goals. Bojan I believe played much more, I welcome it if you do a search on Barca's website about the number of minutes he played in La Liga last season. anyway, I don't want to take anything away from Bojan as he's a rare talent as well.

We'll see how he will do this season. but I better than anyone remember what you said about him when we signed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I've never heard you say these things, but it's irrelevant anyways..

Bojan played roughly 30 games, and scored 10 times... not 14... Pato played 17-18 games if I recall and scored 9 times.

I think people are simply wrong about Pato and saying he's overrated? There is no basis for that. Sorry.

And a question about teams knowing how he plays... well... people know how Inzaghi plays yet he still manages to score plenty of goals. Knowing is one thing. Preventing is another. Many defenders simply can't prevent Pato from scoring. That's my view on it.

Err... Bojan STARTED 14 games last season. The rest of those 31 appearances were substitute appearances, often only coming on for 10 minutes or so. Hardly fair to use that as a basis of how many he scored, what exactly do you expect a 17 year old kid to do in 17 minutes?

There is also no basis for you to say Pato is NOT over-rated.

Pato started 13 games last season and scored 9 goals.
Bojan started 14 games last season and scored 10 goals.

Nojans goals:starts ratio is better, so..

[Giancarlo]

Wait. So you're saying I have no proof to say Pato is over-rated (Which is impossible, nobody can prove any player is under-rated/over-rated), then go on to say Bojan is over-rated? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

I provided goal ratios...

Want Pato to fail? No, there's a difference between me thinking he's over-rated and me wanting him to fail. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

How is he overrated?

Err... Bojan STARTED 14 games last season. The rest of those 31 appearances were substitute appearances, often only coming on for 10 minutes or so. Hardly fair to use that as a basis of how many he scored, what exactly do you expect a 17 year old kid to do in 17 minutes?

Pato was a substitute a fair share of the time too, particularly towards the end. Often he came on in the second half. Please stop presenting such a one sided picture. The same argument can be used against you.

There is also no basis for you to say Pato is NOT over-rated.

Pato started 13 games last season and scored 9 goals.
Bojan started 14 games last season and scored 10 goals.

Pato didn't start 13 games, pal. He was often a substitute. There is plenty of basis... you're just dead wrong.

Nojans goals:starts ratio is better, so..

Bojan goals:start is NOT AND NEVER WILL BE BETTER.

You're statistical analysis is wrong in my opinion. Bojan wasn't just a substitute for just 15 minutes... he made more starts than Pato, yet SCORED LESS. That's right. SCORED LESS!

Go ahead. Defend him. I do not care.

I'm pissed off, sick and I couldn't care less.

This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Sep 7 2008, 10:38 PM

[MizNelson]

Folks, could we stay on topic and save this for the Pato thread? Thanks.

[Giancarlo]

Sorry. I should stop using the internet. My temperature is near 100... and I don't feel so hot. Some people in my class were sick (cold like symptons), and it looks like i caught it. Every damn time I start a new semester.

I'm gonna lay down and I'm sorry for any hostility.

Get back to topic... i'll talk to you all later.

This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Sep 7 2008, 10:52 PM

[Milan Are Brilli...]

Sorry. I should stop using the internet. My temperature is near 100... and I don't feel so hot. Some people in my class were sick (cold like symptons), and it looks like i caught it. Every damn time I start a new semester.

I'm gonna lay down and I'm sorry for any hostility.

Get back to topic... i'll talk to you all later.

Ha, it's called 'Freshers Flu' over here right at least in Uni anyway right pain in the ***!

Hope ya get better!

[Giancarlo]

Ha, it's called 'Freshers Flu' over here right at least in Uni anyway right pain in the ***!

Hope ya get better!

Eh... even in the masters program this happens... pain in the rear.

Thanks. Again I'm sorry for any problems. I still need to find the energy to finish my laundry.

I'm having about as much of luck this week as Italy...

This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Sep 7 2008, 10:57 PM

[kurtsimonw]

Pato didn't start 13 games, pal. He was often a substitute. There is plenty of basis... you're just dead wrong.

Err... Yes, Pato did start 13 games. Feel free to prove me wrong.

Games Pato started
Atalanta (H), Torino (A), Sampdoria (H), Roma (A), Empoli (A), Lazio (H), Catania (A), Palermo (H), Reggina (A), Genoa (H), Atalanta (A), Udinese (A) & Napoli (H). That looks like 13 at my count. If you can prove me wrong, do it. But something tells me you won't be doing that.

Bojan goals:start is NOT AND NEVER WILL BE BETTER.

Erm..

Pato started 13, scored 9. That is 0.69 goals per start.
Bojan started 14, scored 10. That is 0.71 goals per start.

So yeah, his goals:start rati IS better, and that is mathematical fact. Are you going to disagree with mathematical proof? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

You're statistical analysis is wrong in my opinion. Bojan wasn't just a substitute for just 15 minutes... he made more starts than Pato, yet SCORED LESS. That's right. SCORED LESS!

Pato scored 9 last season, Bojan scored 10. So how the **** did he score less?

Pato came on as a sub 5 times last season: 45th minute twice, 65th, 68th and 76th minute. So Pato also comes on early for his sub appearances!

Bojan came on as sub 17 times. I've only seen once where he came on at half time, the majority are between 69/79 minutes. So he hardly has tonnes of time to do much.

But to say he scored less is.. wrong. He scored more than Pato last season, and that is a fact. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

[Zed.D]

Pato started 13 games last season and scored 9 goals.
Bojan started 14 games last season and scored 10 goals.

Nojans goals:starts ratio is better, so..

Kurt, your numbers are absolutely inaccurate (IMG:http://www.pic4ever.com/images/352nmsp.gif)

Pato played ~1300 minutes (~14.4 full games) and scored 9 goals. (0.62 goals per game)

Bojan played ~1540 minutes (~17.1 full games) and scored 10 goals. (0.58 goals per game)

It's clear who has a better record (just in case you don't say Bojan), PATO. but I said before Bojan is an amazing talent. I don't want to take anything away from him!


Pato's stats on ESPN
Bojan's stats on FCBarcelona


(Will a mod please move these posts to Pato's thread? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) )

This post has been edited by zdrossoneri: Sep 7 2008, 11:04 PM

[Giancarlo]

Kurt, your numbers are absolutely inaccurate (IMG:http://www.pic4ever.com/images/352nmsp.gif)

Pato has played ~1300 minutes (~14.4 full games) and scored 9 goals. (0.62 goals per game)

Bojan has played ~1540 minutes (~17.1 ful games) and scored 10 goals. (0.58 goals per game)



Pato's stats on ESPN
Bojan's stats on FCBarcelona


(Will a mod please move these posts to Pato's thread? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) )

Thanks.

Regardless of how many games Pato started, Bojan still had more minutes than he did.