[Giancarlo]

Can Alves actually defend?

Absolutely not.

Lets get back to Sheva... anyone else have pictures of him training or perhaps kicking the ball some in red and black? This seems almost surreal...

Here got something for you...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2hogfvrFFY

This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Aug 26 2008, 08:00 PM

[drucurl]

Absolutely not.

click here Not bad for an overrated guy huh? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
BTW is it me or does $heva look kinda old and thin ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

[acid911]

fast, right-back, skillful, a leader and brazillian....yip you're right he's NOTHING like Cafu

I'm with you on this one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Obviously, he's no way near the legend yet, but if he wasn't the Selaco wouldn't have given him Cafu's position - they obviously would have found a better alternative. It's too soon to tell whether he'd have the same impact as Cafu, but he's certainly on the right track to fill the legend's boots.

[Bluesummers]

guys just stop the argument over alves. Giancarlo clearly is biased on the issue and will not change his footing. He will eat his words in a few years.

last note for you giancarlo go look up both their stats from last season and you will see why one is price tagged at 9mil and the other at 30m.

And jack football is not so easy to describe it on a formation front otherwise every team would deploy their fastest winger on the left and supposidly outdo alves who can't defend (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I find some of you guys funny in how you say he can't defend yet hes in LA LIGA playing for BARCELONA. All i can say is alot of people here will be in for quite a few surprises. Porty if your there help me with this one.

[Bluesummers]

i'm happy to see ronaldinho with sheva, no one would have imagined this last season thats forsure. bravo silvio and galliani.

[Tennie]

Sorry, one last post on this one. Alves is good. Very good, even. Best in the world in his position? Not so sure. I don't personally think he's all that strong defensively (which isn't necessarily all that bad in a wingback). Can't say I like him much, to be honest, but that may just be my feeling that not all Brazilian footballers are worldclass by birth.

[acid911]

Porty if your there help me with this one.

He's angry with us all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Are you not, Porty? But yeah, enough with Alves talk - this is a Shecvhenko thread after all.

[vnata001]

Bluesummers..well said.

[kurtsimonw]

Sorry, one last post on this one. Alves is good. Very good, even. Best in the world in his position? Not so sure. I don't personally think he's all that strong defensively (which isn't necessarily all that bad in a wingback). Can't say I like him much, to be honest, but that may just be my feeling that not all Brazilian footballers are worldclass by birth.

Good summary.

I may get blasted for it, but I think Sergio Ramos is currently the best RB in the World. He's a very under-rated defender, just because he gets forward alot and scores goals people tend to just think he's a typical Madrid all-out-attack kinda player. I've seen enough the last 24 months to suggest he's the best there is right now. RB is a very weak position overall though, there isn't that many very top class players in that position.

[acid911]

last note for you giancarlo go look up both their stats from last season and you will see why one is price tagged at 9mil and the other at 30m.

9 million is over-rated. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) At least judging by the Zambo I've seen in Barca. Which doesn't necessarily make him a bad player. He has two feet, and knows how to use them both. That's an excellent quality to have. He's still my best Italian right back of all time (sorry Oddo).

But all this doesn't take away from the fact that we paid a tad more for him than what he was worth at that point in time.

[acid911]

RB is a very weak position overall though, there isn't that many very top class players in that position.

Summed everything up right there and then, Kurt. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I actually like to call Ramos one of the best defenders in the world, not necessarily the best right back. Which he is. But he also has extraordinary defending skills, which most other RB/wingers lack. Completely.

[Bluesummers]

9 million is over-rated. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) At least judging by the Zambo I've seen in Barca. Which doesn't necessarily make him a bad player. He has two feet, and knows how to use them both. That's an excellent quality to have. He's still my best Italian right back of all time (sorry Oddo).

But all this doesn't take away from the fact that we paid a tad more for him than what he was worth at that point in time.

exactly. Judging by zambro's season he was worth no more than 7 mil but ofcourse barca like always dont budge no matter how hard you push.

[gal_kenny]

Sheva Identifies Winning over the Milan fans and the most difficult task awaiting his return to Milan

Andriy Shevchenko has identified winning over the fans as the most difficult task awaiting the forward on his return to AC Milan.

The 31-year-old arrived back in his adopted homeland at the weekend and although admitting that claiming a starting place ahead of the Rossoneri's eight other attacking players would not be easy, it was satisfying the disillusioned supporters that posed the biggest challenge.

Now at Fox Soccer Shop He said: "It's important that the team wins. If all the players get on well together, then we'll have some fun.

"[Carlo] Ancelotti will have many options, he will be able to change tactics even during a match, which is important in order to be successful and I have no doubts that he knows how to move in these situations ."

However, the Ukrainian striker added: "The most difficult challenge now is to win over the people who were disappointed when I left. Now I'm back I'll try my hardest, it's all I know how to do."

The arrival of the former Chelsea player has made for tense competition for one of the three attacking places in Carlo Ancelotti's favored Christmas Tree set-up, which could see Clarence Seedorf team up with Ronaldinho behind Filippo Inzaghi in the season's opener at the San Siro against newly-promoted Bologna on Sunday, with Sheva given time to resettle in.

Meanwhile, the lack of opportunity to secure playing time at the Milan giants may see Alberto Paloschi loaned out for a year with Torino Genoa and city rivals Sampdoria interested in taking on 19-year-old forward.

foxsoccer.com

This post has been edited by gal_kenny: Aug 26 2008, 09:24 PM

[vnata001]

Good summary.

I may get blasted for it, but I think Sergio Ramos is currently the best RB in the World. He's a very under-rated defender, just because he gets forward alot and scores goals people tend to just think he's a typical Madrid all-out-attack kinda player. I've seen enough the last 24 months to suggest he's the best there is right now. RB is a very weak position overall though, there isn't that many very top class players in that position.

kurt. look back a few pages...i beat you too it. i agree. sergio ramos IS the best right back in the world. Daniel Alves is the SECOND best right back in spain. Ramos is a world class CB, but is so good coming forward they can use him on the wing too. If you look objectively and throw out the Real Madrid bias..Ramos deserves that title..

[Rossoneri7]

exactly. Judging by zambro's season he was worth no more than 7 mil but ofcourse barca like always dont budge no matter how hard you push.

Welcome back (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

But what makes 7MM the bench mark for what should be paid and not for the purchase of Zambrotta ? I know you were just trying to devalue the actual figure that should be payed when the price is mind boggling ... In general and not entirely directed at you, but I don't see the point in slapping price tags on players ... They are not cattle you know (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Milan don't over pay and Milan are not hustled for anything ... There is a great structure that handles these deals, and if any shared doubts over Milan's ability to conduct a successful transfer session after a dry period of 3 years ..

Well I guess Milan did it and with a really tight budget, I think it was done very well. Both Shevchenko and Ronaldinho are a moral boost for the whole squad. And what did Milan get for it ? Judging from Milan's past at bringing players to their best again, I would say it was a bargain.

And if one should think that Zambrotta is on the decline, there is always the Cafu example (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)