[mishie]

2 of them are season ticket holders.

Hell, even I've seen most of his games. Thank God for Football First, we don't miss a thing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

i just think "crap" is a little to strong thats all, i believe he could be a decent signing and thats why a loan deal is in place to see if he can realize his potental could be a shrewd bit of buisness

[Tennie]

Sorry guys - and I hope I'm wrong - but I don't particularly rate Senderos and think he was a laughably poor signing for Milan. He's slow and his positional sense doesn't seem to be all that good. I would prefer to see a young and inexperienced Darmian than this guy.

Again, that's how I see it. Hope I'm wrong about Senderos.

[armiss]

We forget his age

[kurtsimonw]

We forget his age

I'm only 20. Why didn't Milan sign me instead, I'm even younger!

[Giancarlo]

I think I will give Senderos a chance... he has played for his country in the 2006 World Cup and throughout the Euro 2008. I think he did not match the pace of the EPL. And other than some mistakes (take into account he doesn't match the pace of the Premier League), he's an otherwise solid defender.

He may be more suited for the pace of the Italian league. Remember there are many players that perform greatly in the Serie A, but absolutely bomb in the Premier League... Shevchenko being one of them. Not that I'm comparing... Sheva does have a massive track record in the Serie A...

I think it may have been a gamble, but there is the potential it could pay off. You never know.

I'd still prefer Kovac. Yes, he's older... but he's a very established, reliable defender. Cheap too.

[CrazyMilanFan]

all of us wil slowly give him a chance bcoz milan has signed him

[armiss]

I'm only 20. Why didn't Milan sign me instead, I'm even younger!

I will speak with Galliani about you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[mishie]

I'm only 20. Why didn't Milan sign me instead, I'm even younger!

i've seen you play thats why!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
only joking (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[Tennie]

I'm only 20. Why didn't Milan sign me instead, I'm even younger!

Cos everyone thought it was Villa-or-nothing for you, Kurt! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/96.gif)

[kurtsimonw]

[Monsters stats post on Senderos!]

For anybody interested, here's the games he played last season and the stats I've came up with based on them. (I know stats don't prove everything, but I like to use them as a good indicator).

Games Senderos played in England last season

Blackburn 1-1 Arsenal
Arsenal 3-1 Portsmouth
Arsenal 5-0 Derby
Arsenal 2-0 Newcastle (LC)
West Ham 0-1 Arsenal
Arsenal 3-2 Sunderland
Blackburn 2-3 Arsenal
Burnley 0-2 Arsenal (FA)
Arsenal 1-1 Tottenham (LC)
Arsenal 1-1 Birmingham
Fulham 0-3 Arsenal
Arsenal 3-0 Newcastle (FA)
Arsenal 3-0 Newcastle
Man City 1-3 Arsenal
Arsenal 2-0 Blackburn
Man Utd 4-0 Arsenal (FA)
Birmingham 2-2 Arsenal
Arsenal 1-1 Aston Villa
Wigan 0-0 Arsenal
Arsenal 1-1 Middlesbro
Bolton 2-3 Arsenal
Arsenal 1-1 Liverpool
Liverpool 4-2 Arsenal
Arsenal 1-0 Everton
Sunderland 0-1 Arsenal

Played: 25
Games played vs:
Outside of top 10 teams: 14
Goals conceeded: 9 (0.6 per game)
Big 4: 3
Goals conceeded: 9 (3 per game)
Others:8
Goals conceeded: 7 (0.9 per game)

-Against poor teams he tends to do okay, with only conceeding 0.6 goals per game.
-Against the very top teams, he can't cope, 3 goals per game is not at all good.
-Against top half teams he conceeded on average about 1 goal per game, which is a little worrying.

Overall:
Won: 15
Drew: 8
Lost: 2
Goals scored when he plays: 48 (1.92 goals per game)
Goals by Senderos: 2
Own goals by Senderos: 1
Conceeded: 24 (0.96 per game)

-When Senderos plays, they win alot of games, and rarely lose. But 15 wins isn't alot when you consider that he played against teams outside of the top ten 14 times!
-His win % will be increased since he has help from Arsenals front men who score nearly 2 goals per game.
-He scored 2 goals, which is okay, but a very poor own goal (For Villa! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) )

Clean sheets: 11
Outside of top 10 teams: 8 (in 14 games)
Big 4: 0 (in 3 games)
Others: 3 (in 8 games)
None clean sheets: 14
Outside of top 10 teams: 6 (in 14 games)
Big 4: 3 (in 3 games)
Others: 5 (in 8 games)

-He conceededs goals ib games more often than not.
-Nearly 75% of his clean sheets were against teams outside of the top 10, only 3 clean sheets in 11 games against teams in the top half.

So Overall.. He's a decent defender for Cup games vs lower league opposition or against the very poor teams in the league. But play him against a top half team and you're likely to conceed. So for me.. A Coppa Italia/resting first teamer vs relegation battle teams. Good enough for #4/5 CB, no more than that.


Hope some of you guys find it interesting.. I just personally like to use stats in football, I always find them interesting to see how teams fair with certain people, etc. Thanks alot if you've took your time to read any of it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Aug 25 2008, 08:07 PM

[Tennie]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Gosh. Thanks for all that, Kurt!

The fish doll gives you a biscuit and some Irn Bru for your efforts. That's a lot of info to have dug up. Well done!

[Giancarlo]

He's not the only defender in the Arsenal team... I don't recall them playing only with Senderos in the back. I can't believe I'm defending the guy. I'm sure we will use him for lower ranked teams anyways...

Besides that I'm sure his stats would improve in the Serie A, which is different than the Premier League.

This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Aug 25 2008, 08:20 PM

[kurtsimonw]

Cos everyone thought it was Villa-or-nothing for you, Kurt! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/96.gif)

I'm sure once I got over the dispair of not playing for Villa I could concentrate on playing for Milan. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Gosh. Thanks for all that, Kurt!

The fish doll gives you a biscuit and some Irn Bru for your efforts. That's a lot of info to have dug up. Well done!

You're welcome. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) What can I say, I'm a football nerd. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

If the fish doll could give me a Portsmouth win tonight instead, that'd be much better!

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Aug 25 2008, 08:20 PM

[han2503]

Thanks for that kurt (IMG:style_emoticons/default/king.gif) . I think he's pretty decent to have as a sub and playing next to Nesta might be beneficial for him. Who knows... he's still really young so there is room for improvement. And our players mostly make mistakes against the smaller teams because of lack of conetration, so it would be good to have someone that performs in these 'smaller' games, if you want to call them that, because at the end of the season you still have to win these games to win the league

This post has been edited by han2503: Aug 25 2008, 08:22 PM

[mishie]

top work kurt!!! as i said i don't believe he will be a starter and maybe will devolp into a Milan class player