[Giancarlo]

Just doesn't make sense at all really. They have enough attacking players as it is. They were able to leave Drogba out and win 4-0, so I'm pretty sure offense is the last thing they need working on.

I think Deco fits just fine in their team too... he worked pretty well and I did see the match. I also know Chelsea fans are actually against spending that horrendous sum of money... at least the ones I talked with... they know it would not be good for either of our teams.

But as I said The Daily Star is probably useful for putting on the bottom of a bird cage. What's your opinion on i as a tabloids source?



This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Aug 19 2008, 05:04 PM

[Tennie]

(Why don't we discuss this in the transfer thread?)

[Giancarlo]

Okay cool. I was just split where to post it...

[dst]

Just doesn't make sense at all really. They have enough attacking players as it is. They were able to leave Drogba out and win 4-0, so I'm pretty sure offense is the last thing they need working on.

I can only see them wanting to snatch Kaka if it's Abramovich's obsession...

[whoarethepatriot...]

Kaladze has worn the captains armband on a few oaccasions. Pirlo is ahed of him but whenever the players above him are out or subbed, he gets it

[Zed.D]

Pirlo is ahead of him

Are you sure? I think Kaladze is ahead of Pirlo...

[Tennie]

He is. Kaladze's been here a year longer than Pirlo.

[gal_kenny]

Guys i don't think that choosing the captain depends on who's stayed the longest..For example, look at Gallas..he came one season and was named the captain..I think it has to do with responsibility....

[Tennie]

Gallas never played for Milan, gal kenny. At Milan, it's by seniority. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[acid911]

Hit the nail right on the bloody head, Kenny. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) Responsibility. A word that most of us here, and the management seems not to care much about. Unfortunately. It's still all about the seniority shtick.

[acid911]

Gallas never played for Milan, gal kenny. At Milan, it's by seniority.

The question, friends and neighbors, is that is seniority the answer to all this? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Shouldn't be. Heck, if Brocchi was playing for Milan longer than Paolo, then would they have made him captain ahead of him. Hypothetical question, yes. But one that deserves an honest answer.

Like Gal Kenny said, it should always have been about responsibility.

[han2503]

Paolo Maldini: The 2008-09 season is the 25th in Milan's first team
Massimo Ambrosini: 2008-09, 13th season with Milan
Rino Gattuso: 2008-09, 10th season with Milan
Kakha Kaladze: 2008-09, 9th season with Milan
Christian Abbiati: 2008-09, 8th season with Milan
Nelson Dida: 2008-09, 8th season with Milan
Filippo Inzaghi: 2008-09, 8th season with Milan
Andrea Pirlo: 2008-09, 8th season with Milan
Cristian Brocchi: 2008-09, 7th season with Milan
Sandro Nesta: 2008-09, 7th season with Milan
Clarence Seedorf: 2008-09, 7th season with Milan
Ricardo Kakà : 2008-09, 6th season with Milan

Well from this list 5 players should not be in their, yes they have been with Milan longer but other things need to be considered, for example Pippo is not cpatian quality imo. Brocchi, Abbiati, guys that have been loaned out and mostly sit on the bench should not be considered, no matter how long they have been in Milan's books. Imo players that are part of the 'Milan backbone' should be considered for the captaincy, bit part players or players who are just not worthy should not be considered. Personally it pains me to see someone like Kaladz or Brocchi get the band when there are players like Nesta or Pirlo on the field just because they're been at Milan longer.

I know we do the whole seniority things, but other factors should be considered.

No way will Kaladze wear the armband for Milan.

Well I've seen him were it when there is no Maldini, Ambro or Rino on the pitch. But hopefully like dst said, someone from the management or coaching staff will open their eyes and sell him before it comes to that tragic event when he captains Milan onto the pitch. It's an insult after having Guys like Baresi and Maldini wear the arm band

Just doesn't make sense at all really. They have enough attacking players as it is. They were able to leave Drogba out and win 4-0, so I'm pretty sure offense is the last thing they need working on.

Like I said in the transfers thread, one of the guys that handles Chelsea's transfers was talking on Chelsea TV yesterday and he seemed pretty confident about Robinho arriving at the end of the week. So they're definately not after Kaka. And I'm pretty sure Milan won't sell him for any ammount unless Kaka asks for the transfer himself

Kaladze has worn the captains armband on a few oaccasions. Pirlo is ahed of him but whenever the players above him are out or subbed, he gets it

Just makes me want to (IMG:style_emoticons/default/puke.gif)

[dst]

Guys i don't think that choosing the captain depends on who's stayed the longest..For example, look at Gallas..he came one season and was named the captain..I think it has to do with responsibility....

No that has to do with Wenger being an idiot.

The question, friends and neighbors, is that is seniority the answer to all this? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Shouldn't be. Heck, if Brocchi was playing for Milan longer than Paolo, then would they have made him captain ahead of him. Hypothetical question, yes. But one that deserves an honest answer.

Like Gal Kenny said, it should always have been about responsibility.

If Brocchi was here longer than Paolo he would deserve it... but in reality, Brocchi is not even a first XI player...

So you think Gallas being made captain is the right thing to do? Let's say he is the most capable to become captain in the whole wide world, does that mean he deserved to become captain in a team he had offered nothing at all to before? I think not.
If Gallas really was the guy that would make the best captain then in a difficulty his teammates would turn to him. A king is king not because he has a crown but because he is the king... same with a captain, he does not need the armband.
The armband goes to the senior, to the man that knows better than everybody else what it means to play for the shirt and who will be there even after the Gallases leave... It's not necessary that he can charge you up with words and it's not necessary that the players will turn to him for advise... but he's been there through good and bad and he inspires his teammates to give their all no matter how bad things are, that's why he's captain!

[Habitant]

well it's easy to say it's mostly down to seniority but lets look at the trend, who have been milan's captains for the past 20 years? baresi and maldini. i mean the issue has never really come up because picking they're no-brainers.

these guys were not only the best out there when they took the armband, they had immense leadship qualities and just pure class, of course seniority is important but it's not the deciding the factor.

wasnt sheva vice-capt before he left? ahead of ambro? sheva was one of our leaders on and off the field, one of the best strikers in world, etc. so although ambro had more years here he wasn't ahead of him, that proves that seniority isnt the only factor.

right now ambro has 2nd in in seniority, was a great leader on and off the field last year, will probably play most of our games hence i think it's logically he is vice capt.

for me this should be the order:

paolo
ambro
gattuso
KAKA
pirlo (he lacks certain leadership qualities, IMO kaka is more proficient in that regard)

kaka is our new sheva for that reason i think he should be captian in the next 2-3 season.

-theres no point in changing the captain every year because the other candidates are getting old and wont serve that long, we dont need that instability.

- kaka seems to be one the few that sincerely looked disappointed with the poor performances while many of the others are content with resting on their laurels, if we are going win anything he will be the one to lead us to victory.

-everything about him is class, he resents us, is our icon and could have left us for madrid but has rejected any advances so far to stay with us.

-our best player and regular fixture in our starting 11 for years to come.

and i could go....

This post has been edited by Habitant: Aug 19 2008, 08:17 PM

[Tennie]

I'm going to respectfully disagree with Habitant on the ordering just above. Don't think Kaka should be placed above either Nesta or Pirlo in the hierarchy.