[Nova]

Compared to Pippo even my kid sister has more technical ability  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

When Gila plays he offers much more to the game, he holds up the ball much better for Kaka and Seedorf and links up much better with them.

And when was the last time Pippo was actually effective in the league?? I don't even remeber his last goal in Serie A

Ok enough with that crap ok (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) The big ol' excuse (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) No offence with the "crap" part , i just couldnt find another word (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Inzaghi does what he supose to do , score ! Maybe not much , but when he needs to.

Gila holds the ball better ?? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) good one (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

This post has been edited by Nova: Jan 6 2008, 08:17 PM

[dst]

Gila has been with us for 3 seasons and he will stay for many more.

[Nova]

Gila has been with us for 3 seasons and he will stay for many more.

Me too , I only hope he improves much more

[han2503]

Ok enough with that crap ok  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) The big ol' excuse  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)   No offence with the "crap" part , i just couldnt find another word  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Inzaghi does what he supose to do , score ! Maybe not much , but when he needs to.

Gila holds the ball better ??  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)   (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)   good one  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

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But on the serious side, it's not cr@p, it's facts, numbers don't lie. And Gila's numbers have been much better then Pippo's.

And I didn't say Gila holds the ball better, I said he holds it up much better then Pippo. When Gila plays as the lone striker the mids get more involved because he better at holding the ball up and laying it off to the on coming mids. He does it much better then Pippo

And I don't know what goals you're talikg about since its been more then a year since Pippo scored in the league, where we need goals more then anything

[Nova]

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But on the serious side, it's not cr@p, it's facts, numbers don't lie. And Gila's numbers have been much better then Pippo's.

And I didn't say Gila holds the ball better, I said he holds it [b]up much better then Pippo. When Gila plays as the lone striker the mids get more involved because he better at holding the ball up and laying it off to the on coming mids. He does it much better then Pippo[/B]

And I don't know what goals you're talikg about since its been more then a year since Pippo scored in the league, where we need goals more then anything

He's a striker and he should score , thats his job . Book closed.


And besides , what goals did Gila score ? At least Inzaghi's goals won us Cups . Gila's goals come when were winning 3-0 , bravo Gila , bravo (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

This post has been edited by Nova: Jan 6 2008, 08:40 PM

[misha]

But on the serious side, it's not cr@p, it's facts, numbers don't lie. And Gila's numbers have been much better then Pippo's.

Comparing Gila (25) now to 34 years old Pippo is no brainer, but still Pippo is picked and delivers in the important games. Compare 25 Gila to 25 Pippo and you see the real difference between them.

[han2503]

He's a striker and he should score , thats his job . Book closed.

Then the same thing should apply to Pippo, don't you think

And besides , what goals did Gila score ? At least Inzaghi's goals won us Cups . Gila's goals come when were winning 3-0 , bravo Gila , bravo  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

Yes his goals won us the CL last season, but you can't forget that Kaka was the one that practically dragged us through the whole thing not Pippo.

[han2503]

Comparing Gila (25) now to 34 years old Pippo is no brainer, but still Pippo is picked and delivers in the important games. Compare 25 Gila to 25 Pippo and you see the real difference between them.

Of course, but I'm talking about now, and the facts are that we need strikers that score and Pippo isn't doing that.

[Nova]

Then the same thing should apply to Pippo, don't you think
Yes his goals won us the CL last season, but you can't forget that Kaka was the one that practically dragged us through the whole thing not Pippo.

But Pippo scores ! What are you talking about ? Im not only talking about serie A mate .

[Fillipo Simone]

I've been trying to stay out of discussion as long as possible but,...

Pippo and Gila should not be compared. Those are two characters, two different type of players.

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Pippo shouldn't be criticized at all IMO. He's a 35 year old striker who did everything right in his career. He's Italy's top scorer in European competitions (CL) and he's nothing to proof. IMO we should be happy that he plays with us.

The fact that he didn't score against Lecce, Messina, or whatever team in the Serie A is not his problem and it isn't up to him. After his big injury we all considered him gone, but he came back and scored 2 in Athens. That's what matters. To score against Messina, sure, why not,..but it should not be up to him. All the pressure should be set on a new striker, someone who can handle that pressure. That means not Pato, and obviously not Gilardino.

I treat both Ronaldo and Pippo as bonus players. We cannot expect from them to be our leading attackers, they should represent that X-factor.


As for Gilardino. On one side we have the obvious stats, that tell us he's our best striker for the last 2 years (without Andrej). On the other side, Pippo can play 5 matches without scoring in a row, but steps out in Athens and makes the 2 crucial goals and a day to remember. Which Gila day can we remember? Which match? For me,..there is a blank field. Another problem is that Gila does not show any improvement, or any particular situation which he can handle. As a sub he's pretty useless, except when we allready have the lead and only make a refreshemnt-sub (ManUtd. game). If he plays deeper in our field he's to far away to score and surrounded by defenders, if he play up front he's stuck and stays frozen. If he get's a chance, the odd's are in favour that he'll miss.

But, the thing is Gilardino has only 26 years. So, there is still time for him to shine. If he can accept his position on the bench, that's great. I presonally have faith in him, still. I saw him play for Parma more then once and I know that he can do it. I'd suggest that we bring up a new striker who could suit to Gila's characteristic's. Or we loan him out for one season and see if he can do it still, under different circumstances.

[han2503]

But Pippo scores ! What are you talking about ? Im not only talking about serie A mate .

Pippo hasn't hit the heigths in the CL either, atleast not since the 05/06 season, where he was the REAL reason why we got as far as we did

But still, why would we need a striker that doesn't score in Serie A? that's what I'm trying to say. Pippo hasn't been effective in Serie A for a long time now. And that is the competition that we suffer the most in in terms of goals.

Has the Serie A been devalued this much that we don't care if we have strikers that are able to score in it now? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

[misha]

Of course, but I'm talking about now, and the facts are that we need strikers that score and Pippo isn't doing that.

O.k, but you can't expect from Pippo at this age to score regularly in Serie A. He doesn't have the legs anymore to play too many games, so he's mostly here,at this stage of his career, for the big games. The mistake was not buying another striker while taking to consideration Pippo's age, Ronalo's injuries, half season unavailability of Pato and inconsistency of Gila.

[Fillipo Simone]

Pippo hasn't hit the heigths in the CL either, atleast not since the 05/06 season, where he was the REAL reason why we got as far as we did

But still, why would we need a striker that doesn't score in Serie A? that's what I'm trying to say. Pippo hasn't been effective in Serie A for a long time now. And that is the competition that we suffer the most in in terms of goals.

Has the Serie A been devalued this much that we don't care if we have strikers that are able to score in it now?  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

And it's because from a natural point of view, this is the competitions where Gilardino should score, not Pippo.

[misha]

I treat both Ronaldo and Pippo as bonus players. We cannot expect from them to be our leading attackers, they should represent that X-factor.

Yep, that's how it should have been...

[han2503]

I've been trying to stay out of discussion as long as possible but,...

Pippo and Gila should not be compared. Those are two characters, two different type of players.

(IMG:http://barnux.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/gilardino.jpg) (IMG:http://www.sergiodellatti.it/images/01inzaghi.jpg)

Pippo shouldn't be criticized at all IMO. He's a 35 year old striker who did everything right in his career. He's Italy's top scorer in European competitions (CL) and he's nothing to proof. IMO we should be happy that he plays with us.

The fact that he didn't score against Lecce, Messina, or whatever team in the Serie A is not his problem and it isn't up to him. After his big injury we all considered him gone, but he came back and scored 2 in Athens. That's what matters. To score against Messina, sure, why not,..but it should not be up to him. All the pressure should be set on a new striker, someone who can handle that pressure. That means not Pato, and obviously not Gilardino.

I treat both Ronaldo and Pippo as bonus players. We cannot expect from them to be our leading attackers, they should represent that X-factor.
As for Gilardino. On one side we have the obvious stats, that tell us he's our best striker for the last 2 years (without Andrej). On the other side, Pippo can play 5 matches without scoring in a row, but steps out in Athens and makes the 2 crucial goals and a day to remember. Which Gila day can we remember? Which match? For me,..there is a blank field. Another problem is that Gila does not show any improvement, or any particular situation which he can handle. As a sub he's pretty useless, except when we allready have the lead and only make a refreshemnt-sub (ManUtd. game). If he plays deeper in our field he's to far away to score and surrounded by defenders, if he play up front he's stuck and stays frozen. If he get's a chance, the odd's are in favour that he'll miss.

But, the thing is Gilardino has only 26 years. So, there is still time for him to shine. If he can accept his position on the bench, that's great. I presonally have faith in him, still. I saw him play for Parma more then once and I know that he can do it. I'd suggest that we bring up a new striker who could suit to Gila's characteristic's. Or we loan him out for one season and see if he can do it still, under different circumstances.

Yes and I agree with all of that. But why does a striker that isn't even half what he used to be stay on and play when he's not being of use to the club in a certain competition.

Now lets leave Gila out of this. If Pippo doesn't retire by the end of this season he will most likely be out for the rest of next season through injury or won't live up to his standards because by then he would be 36 and not as half as effective as we all know him to be.

Imo a great player should retire at his heights and Pippo is well past that. He should bow down gracefully.

And plaese don't get Gila involved, even though I do defend him at times when he plays badly I criticise him. It's not rose tinted glasses I'm just saying give the guy a chance because he's shown us glimpses and if he could ever return to his own then he would be great for us.

If the club affords to keep players like Pippo and Ronaldo who will most likely be out for 3/4 of the season then there is no reason for us to complain about giving Gila chances.

Or even worse, stay behind Dida who's mistakes cost us match after match and not support Gila