[I_Rossoneri]

There are very few (I mean VERY few) women that understand football and I don't think she's one of them. Also, managing a football club is not like just any other business, I think men know better...

This man speaketh the truth (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[dst]

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The piranha tank is too good for you.

Come on Tennie, you have to admit that 90% of the women in the world have not even watched a single game of football or know how the offside rule works! How many of that 10% do you think can understand football so good that they could manage a football club? Most men don't understand football either (I mean in a profound way) but the percentage of men watching football is much bigger so the number of men that understand football deeply is more...

In fact I don't know of a single woman that would understand why a man could cry over his team's loss!

And about the president's post. It is more of a symbol than anything else. The actual people that handle the day-to-day interactions are the board of Milan; i.e. Galliani, Piersilvio, etc .. They are the ones running the place. Silvio, is just there, well to make sure all is fine and dandy. He rarely needs to interfere.

Silvio is the first and last to take an action on every single thing that is important in this club. And I think he always intervenes as his words could even influence a bloody rock!

[Rossoneri7]

Silvio is the first and last to take an action on every single thing that is important in this club. And I think he always intervenes as his words could even influence a bloody  rock!

Yes, I know that (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

He is the inspirational figure at Milan !! He is more than just a president for this club (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif) . But what I was getting at was, in the everyday interaction for the club, the board and lower management tend to do all the work. Silvio just overlooks everything.

[Tennie]

This is the last post I'm going to make here for a while.

I find several of the above comments to be frighteningly biased. Stereotypes such as those depicted above are very dangerous. As a woman - and far from the only one - who has followed Milan for longer than (I am willing to guess) a decent percentage of the people posting here have been alive, I am profoundly insulted by the attitude portrayed by these posts.

There are far more female football supporters out there than most of you seem to realize. Just because you think we don't understand the offside rule or don't understand why someone would cry when their team loses...well, it's your loss. Automatic assumptions that I don't understand the game or management issues facing a club because I don't have dangly bits betrays an arrogance that in the end makes me terribly terribly sad.

It also makes me rather angry. And that's why I am going to hold off on posting for a time. Because, you see, I will happily admit that I hold to at least one stereotype: I'm half-Calabrian. And when a Calabrian gets mad, they get REALLY mad. If I post more than this, I'm likely to say something I will regret.

[kurtsimonw]

I don't think they meant to insult you, and they never said that you don't like football, it wasn't a personal opinion of you, rather a generalisation on women as a whole - much like you saying English players can't defend.

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Dec 19 2007, 12:46 AM

[I_Rossoneri]

LMFAO at this thread (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Quality (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[bigmacmtl]

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[Zed.D]

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[LaPalma]

Come on Tennie, you have to admit that 90% of the women in the world have not even watched a single game of football or know how the offside rule works! How many of that 10% do you think can understand football so good that they could manage a football club? Most men don't understand football either (I mean in a profound way) but the percentage of men watching football is much bigger so the number of men that understand football deeply is more...

In fact I don't know of a single woman that would understand why a man could cry over his team's loss!
Silvio is the first and last to take an action on every single thing that is important in this club. And I think he always intervenes as his words could even influence a bloody  rock!

How many men do you think really understand football...the "beautifull" game? I know very few that really get how the game works. Why can't a women be a pres of a club? OK...she'll have a hard time first...maybe. But then people thought that women couldn't be leading a state some decades ago. And...suprise...it's working.
Don't get me wrong...I'm not some kind of a male feminist I just think....why not?

[dst]

Don't get me wrong...I'm not some kind of a male feminist I just think....why not?

I did not say a woman can't do it, I said I'd prefer a man. I believe, no woman could ever reach the level of understanding for his players and influence on the them that Silvio Berlusconi has because a president of a football club has to do solely with men so a male president has an advantage over a female one. Marina maybe understands football better than any other man and she probably is a successful businesswomen but she still does not share the same mentality as her employees and that is very important in football more than in any other kind of business.

Yes hanna, she did intervene. After all, she heads the company that owns AC Milan and is looking after her families investment in Milan. I mean, if at the 4QR the books don't add up, (which there was talk about it, and AC Milan's stocks weren't doing so well in the Italian Borsa at the time ..) she made sure all is well before they closed off that quarter.

Milan are the only team in Europe to declare a profit so I'm assuming the books were quite alright! The thing is, Silvio Berlusconi has never been cold before (winning means no buying) so I guess Marina (or Pier Silvio) have something to do with it.

That's exactly what football is not, a business that should be run just like any other. A winning formula is related to a billion things and the rule that says you don't change a winning formula (in this case, a winning team) does not apply in football because there are numerous imponderable factors to be considered. And because of the same factors, buying the best will also not guarantee you success... This is where the president has to intervene and locate the problem and, in my view, because of the fact that he shares the same mentality as his footballers and rest of the staff, a male president has a non-negligible advantage... Berlusconi talked Ronaldo into letting his hair grow and you might think "so what?" but in reality that's just where it all starts. Berlusconi could even persuade a vegetarian to eat meat! If someone between Marina and and Pier Silvio can reach that level with of communication with the players of the club then that's the latter in my opinion (I explained why above) and that's why I'd prefer him.

Just like Porty said, Rosella Sensi can run a business too but I don't like her style and I wouldn't want Milan to be run that way.

[Jack Sparrow]

How many men do you think really understand football...the "beautifull" game? I know very few that really get how the game works. Why can't a women be a pres of a club? OK...she'll have a hard time first...maybe. But then people thought that women couldn't be leading a state some decades ago. And...suprise...it's working.
Don't get me wrong...I'm not some kind of a male feminist I just think....why not?

I bet ur girl friend was sitting right behind you when you were typing this one...

But I agree with you. I got nothing against women managing football clubs. If anything they might end up being more clear headed about the whole enterprise, since they're less likely to engage in a clash of egos and one upmanship.

And a sexy Prez...would help bring in all the big players. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

My baby doll Berlusconi for Prez. Sorry Pierluigi! But u just ain't got what Barbara has!

(IMG:http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j289/rajamilan04/BarbaraBerlusconi02.jpg)

@Porty: This is no Rosella Sensi...

How do you say no to her?? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

This post has been edited by Jack Sparrow: Dec 19 2007, 01:39 PM

[Portman]

I bet ur girl friend was sitting right behind you when you were typing this one...

But I agree with you. I got nothing against women managing football clubs. If anything they might end up being more clear headed about the whole enterprise, since they're less likely to engage in a clash of egos and one upmanship.

And a sexy Prez...would help bring in all the big players. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

My baby doll Berlusconi for Prez. Sorry Pierluigi! But u just ain't got what Barbara has!

(IMG:http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j289/rajamilan04/BarbaraBerlusconi02.jpg)

@Porty: This is no Rosella Sensi...

How do you say no to her?? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

Pierluigi?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Barbara? Nah...

[Rossoneri7]

Milan are the only team in Europe to declare a profit so I'm assuming the books were quite alright! The thing is, Silvio Berlusconi has never been cold before (winning means no buying) so I guess Marina (or Pier Silvio) have something to do with it.

I don't know about that dst. I mean, it ain't 1+1=2 when it comes to finance (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Well, this is the situation at the time:

Fininvest (at every quarter, as any company on the stock market) has to produce financial data to the stock exchange for revision. This data is used to regulate the price of the stock and to keep the common shareholders aware of the situation with the company(s) and it's performances.

At the time, AC Milan had declared it had X number of profit, but when that quarter came to a close, Fininvest noticed that AC Milan didn't make the profit, rather it was unrealized profit (i.e. profit that still hasn't been made, not solid), which is ok, except AC Milan wasn't clear with Fininvest about this particular piece of detail. Thus Marina on the back of Fininvest intervened ( the details of what happened later on are not available anywhere about what exactly happened). The matter was then resolved, Fininvest produced the interim report for that quarter and everything went back to normal.

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Thus, it had nothing to do with Milan's transfer(s).

U know, I just went through their annual report and, f2ck me !!! AC Milan is running as a liability for Fininvest (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) So whoever says its a business is clearly unaware of how critical it's financial situation is !!!


I mean Fininvest has three flagship companies: Mediaset (as we all know, which is a television holding company), Mediolanum (which is a holding company within itself for an insurance and banca mediolanum) and Mondadori (A publishing company that's scale treads over Italy's publishing business and into the marketing segments of Europe as a whole). Of course there are other companies within Fininvest, but the three that I mentioned are her flagship companies.


Mediaset alone, produced a 1,104M operating profit at the end of last fiscal yr.

Now where does AC Milan stand in this mammoth of a company ?!

It is more of a liability than a company. Hence, if u think Milan is being run as a business ?? U are wrong. Milan is more a Silvio hobby than anything else, u know like a Billionaires toy (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) I mean, it is one of the reasons why Silvio got into parliament, is it not dst (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Explanation ? It is owned 100% by Fininvest, meaning they aren't producing any common stocks for the common people (u or me), which decreases the profitability of a company 'business'. It's income is generated by itself. Thus any loss would be a heavy blow to the company, where as dividing the stock between other parties would decrease the impact of such a loss.


So, AC Milan is not a business. And neither is it run as a business. It takes more from Fininvest than it gives in return.



Clubs in the EPL are run as businesses. Because they get income from Barclay's Bank (EPL sponsor) and have their clubs listed on the stock exchange (which allows it to generate profit as a business), etc etc etc ..



p.s. Milan, isn't a business. It is more of 'the football club' that you preach for dst ... So rest assured (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

EDIT:

Sources: http://www.fininvest.it http://www.borsaitaliana.it/homepage/homepage.en.htm

This post has been edited by Rossoneri7: Dec 19 2007, 11:19 PM

[dst]

p.s. Milan, isn't a business. It is more of 'the football club' that you preach for dst ... So rest assured (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

So this is one more reason why Milan shouldn't be run as a business!

Thanks for the analysis...

[Rossoneri7]

So this is one more reason why Milan shouldn't be run as a business!

Thanks for the analysis...

Milan was never run as a business in the first place (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


U know, thank u !!! If not for that, I wouldn't even have known for myself (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)