[dst]

Like I said before, we should loan him to another Italian team (there he would be a starter, will adjust to Italian game , mature and can gain more confidence) then give him another try. Seedorf is not getting any younger and if there a chance Yoann can become something big, would be a shame to sell him now.

Loans and big players don't go along... Yoann will either be given a chance in Milan and develop into something big OR will spend a career on loans hoping for something better... at least that's how I see it.

Sorry for sounding like an ***, but is Gourcuff more a winner than Rosicky?
Then we'd have to try something like this...

You don't sound like an ***. But no I didn't say Gourcuff is a winner. I said Rosicky is not a winner and that's why Yoann can replace him and not Hleb, Fabregas. Plus you bet on the added bonus that Yoann might become a winner! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

...wich obviously won't work.

Of course not. Rosicky out, van Persie on!

[misha]

Loans and big players don't go along... Yoann will either be given a chance in Milan and develop into something big OR will spend a career on loans hoping for something better... at least that's how I see it.

I don't see why not. Give him the opportunity in a team that he can develop in, and then decide if he's worth another chance at Milan. Many great players were loaned at young age. Before selling, we need to be sure that we are not missing out on somebody that can be great.

[dst]

Many great players were loaned at young age.

I can't remember any, that's why I said these two things don't go together. Can you name anyone?

[Tennie]

Boban.

[dst]

Boban.

Boban was loaned right after Milan bought him. He was not loaned out because he was not good enough... he just wasn't ready. Players that fail to make it into a team's first XI never manage to do so after a loan... at least 99% of the times. Yoann will either makes it in Milan now or he will never do so... I don't want to be dogmatic but this is what I've learned from similar situations.

[vnata001]

...i know this is a contreversial thing to say in light of the coaching speculation, but this is all Ancelotti's fault, and I will be pretty upset if Gourcuff transfers. It will be Ancelotti's fault. if we tallied up all the minutes he has played its probably less than 10 matches worth. Yet, he has still impressed in the little time he has been given..we can't judge him on the little 10 minute appearances he makes! Carlo hasnt given him a chance to crack the line up, and i dont think thats fair. Sometimes, especially in league, he could have had way more impact in games than Ambrosini did. If he had been playing in matches from the start, and given maybe 3 or 4 full matches with the starting eleven, i have no doubt he would be wowing us and pushing seedorf. You can see he has delicate touch, creative passing, and a powerful shot...but when hes in the matches late in the game, what's the point? He's usually put in when the match is out of question, and the team isnt trying to attack..and at that point why put him in? just to play keep away? or he's in when its a 0-0 draw, pressure is on, and hes not allowed to settle into the flow. If he leaves, i'm going to be dissapointed because on the French under-21 team he outshone nasri, and now he apparently can't get playing time over Brocchi.

to make it worse, if Arsene Wegner wants him..there's a better chance of him leaving than staying. Wenger is a great cultivator of talent, is French, and usually gets the players he wants. I think if this rumors are true, Yoann may see this as a better opportunity to play at a high level..and if Carletto's in charge hes prlly right.

[Rossoneri7]

Gourcuff came to Milan, with Carlo's blessing! No player is forced into the team without Carlo's consent.

Now if Gourcuff can stand up to the challenge and fight for a place in the first XI, then so be it. If not, then Milan should move on, as this is a club that wins titles not develops youth players.

With that said, Gourcuff had proven in Liga 1 that he is an exceptional player, and I am of the opinion that he is exactly that (as he reminds me of Zidane, A LOT!!) ... Still, the pressure of playing for a club as BIG as Milan is something beyond us all. All we see is a round ball and a coach that refuses to play Gourcuff. When in reality, Gourcuff might not be mentally ready to take a first team spot just yet.

IMO, I doubt Gourcuff would leave Milan. I think Milan would sell Gourcuff before him deciding otherwise. After all, he knew his chances of making first team were slim when he first got here (he refused Arsenal and Madrid amongst many others who came forward for him, and he chose Milan) .. I think he'll gradually move into Seedorf's place in the left midfield slot. Maybe he'll play 6 - 10 more games this season .. Then next season a bit more. It's still early to speculate, but he is improving. Seeing as how he took the pitch against Celtic the other day, he should a lot of improvement in the tactical set up.

20 Million? I would bring him there with a wheel barrow...

U need help ? I could hold him down for u (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[kdman]

Kaka.

One. A rare gem, whose qualities can never be supressed even by the "blindest" of coaches.

Name another? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[kdman]

Kaka.

One. A rare gem, whose qualities can never be supressed even by the "blindest" of coaches.

Name another? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[kdman]

Gourcuff came to Milan, with Carlo's blessing! No player is forced into the team without Carlo's consent.

You sure pal? You mean he's the one that gave us Favalli, Emerson, Vieri, Oliviera, and crowns it all with Ibrahim Ba (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Great.

[Rossoneri7]

You sure pal? You mean he's the one that gave us Favalli, Emerson, Vieri, Oliviera, and crowns it all with Ibrahim Ba (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)   Great.

No, that's not what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is, all the players that Carlo has/had came to Milan because Carlo also agreed to have them.

p.s. Emerson was on top of Carlo's shopping list btw (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[dst]

...i know this is a contreversial thing to say in light of the coaching speculation, but this is all Ancelotti's fault, and I will be pretty upset if Gourcuff transfers. It will be Ancelotti's fault. if we tallied up all the minutes he has played its probably less than 10 matches worth. Yet, he has still impressed in the little time he has been given..we can't judge him on the little 10 minute appearances he makes! Carlo hasnt given him a chance to crack the line up, and i dont think thats fair. Sometimes, especially in league, he could have had way more impact in games than Ambrosini did. If he had been playing in matches from the start, and given maybe 3 or 4 full matches with the starting eleven, i have no doubt he would be wowing us and pushing seedorf. You can see he has delicate touch, creative passing, and a powerful shot...but when hes in the matches late in the game, what's the point? He's usually put in when the match is out of question, and the team isnt trying to attack..and at that point why put him in? just to play keep away? or he's in when its a 0-0 draw, pressure is on, and hes not allowed to settle into the flow. If he leaves, i'm going to be dissapointed because on the French under-21 team he outshone nasri, and now he apparently can't get playing time over Brocchi.

to make it worse, if Arsene Wegner wants him..there's a better chance of him leaving than staying. Wenger is a great cultivator of talent, is French, and usually gets the players he wants. I think if this rumors are true, Yoann may see this as a better opportunity to play at a high level..and if Carletto's in charge hes prlly right.

I agree. It's as simple as this; Gourcuff is much better than Brocchi (who isn't?)... if Brocchi plays it's only because Carletto's scared to play a bit more offensively.

[Locke Lamora]

But if Gourcuff is loaned to Arsenal and develops there, it will be a massive change for him to return back to Italy, with different team-mates, different opponents, different playing styles etc.

@dst, this is what I'd like to see when Van Persie's back
------------------Almunia----------------
Sagna-----Toure------Gallas-----Clichy
------------------Flamini------------------
Rosicky--------Fabregas------------Hleb
--------Van Persie-------Adebayor-----

[kurtsimonw]

@dst, this is what I'd like to see when Van Persie's back
------------------Almunia----------------
Sagna-----Toure------Gallas-----Clichy
------------------Flamini------------------
Rosicky--------Fabregas------------Hleb
--------Van Persie-------Adebayor-----

The highlighted players aren't good enough for Arsenal, Wenger should look to replacing them - especially Sagna, he's not good enough for the EPL at all!

But about Gourcuff, he's young and French - Perfect for Arsenal.. Not that I think he'll fit in your team at all.

[dst]

But if Gourcuff is loaned to Arsenal and develops there, it will be a massive change for him to return back to Italy, with different team-mates, different opponents, different playing styles etc.

@dst, this is what I'd like to see when Van Persie's back
------------------Almunia----------------
Sagna-----Toure------Gallas-----Clichy
------------------Flamini------------------
Rosicky--------Fabregas------------Hleb
--------Van Persie-------Adebayor-----

You got it all wrong, I don't want Milan to loan Gourcuff to Arsenal, I'm talking about selling him. I think that's what's best for him...

I too believe this is Arsenal's strongest XI.

The highlighted players aren't good enough for Arsenal, Wenger should look to replacing them - especially Sagna, he's not good enough for the EPL at all!

Really? I think Sagna is one of Arsenal's best this season and of the main reasons why they are doing so well. Same for Flamini, (as they've themselves said) he's their Gattuso, he's a very useful player. Clichy is not bad but he's not world-class material either, I agree on this one. As for Almunia, he's no Buffon or Cech (ie he won't perform an unbelievable super save) but he's a 7 and he always produces a 7, he's consistent. In my view what Arsenal need the most is a world class forward.