[Rossoneri7]

oh yeah they mean a lot to me ... But this has nothing to do with football !! All this that your talking about happened outside of the stadium. Halting the Serie A wont do anything, what needs to be done is dismantling the Ultras or arresting the head figures who have influenced this. But closing down Serie A ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Please ..

The government ? Yeah they have to take action, but Serie A,B & C aren't the problem. So, going ahead to suspend the league wont solve anything. The government wants to do anything, it should go after the Ultras.

[Fillipo Simone]

You give Kaka' and Ronaldo such space .. and with our defense, the English teams wont stand a chance!

Ehem - Ronaldo + EPL defenders = a crippled brazilian doing coffee comercials.. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[KillerMax]

Ehem - Ronaldo + EPL defenders = a crippled brazilian doing coffee comercials.. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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I like serie A a lot. It's my favorite league by far. So I want a change in the way things are taken care of. Serie A stadiums look like prisons and still the crowd are causing trouble. Every individual that causes trouble for others must be prosecuted. This is the 21 century. I expect those terrorists who cover their faces and make threats are brought in custody and are prosecuted. And if that means Serie A will have to be stopped, fine by me. I'd rather it stopped than played beyond closed doors anyways.

[Tennie]

ROMA - L'Osservatorio sulle manifestazioni sportive ha stabilito il blocco di tutte le trasferte dei tifosi delle squadre di calcio e la chiusura al pubblico delle curve dell'Atalanta e del Taranto, gli stadi all'interno dei quali ieri sono avvenuti gli incidenti più gravi in seguito alla notizia della morte del giovane Gabriele Sandri.

[The government agency set up after the Catania riots has prohibited transfer of fans to away games and has closed the curvas of Atalanta and Taranto, stadiums where there were serious incidents yesterday.] (from acmilan.com's breaking news section)

The Atalanta owner said the following (quoted variously, this one's a snippet from tuttomercatoweb): Questa gente non la voglio più vedere, li bandirò dal mio stadio. Si tratta di pochi delinquenti, mi auguro che finiscano in galera.

[I don't want to see these people again, I'm going to banish them from my stadium. They're nothing more than delinquents, I hope they end up in jail.]

[I_Rossoneri]

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I like serie A a lot. It's my favorite league by far. So I want a change in the way things are taken care of. Serie A stadiums look like prisons and still the crowd are causing trouble. Every individual that causes trouble for others must be prosecuted. This is the 21 century. I expect those terrorists who cover their faces and make threats are brought in custody and are prosecuted. And if that means Serie A will have to be stopped, fine by me. I'd rather it stopped than played beyond closed doors anyways.

Unfortunately this is Italy you are talking about! Nothing will get done like always (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[KillerMax]

Unfortunately this is Italy you are talking about! Nothing will get done like always (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

After Calcipoli, Juve went to B and other teams were penalized. Things do get done there. It's more to do with cultures though. It's easier to 'control' and contain people in England than it is in Italy.

[I_Rossoneri]

After Calcipoli, Juve went to B and other teams were penalized. Things do get done there. It's more to do with cultures though. It's easier to 'control' and contain people in England than it is in Italy.

You've had Caciopoli, the flare throwing incident, the policeman killed at Catania and now this. And all in relatively short time. Each time there has been an outcry and the authorities have threatened to stamp down - only for something else to happen a few months later (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

There wil be an outcry for a while over this and in a few months all will be forgotten again.

[Tennie]

Respect to Atalanta.

The following statement (link) was put up on their website today.

[We, the trainer and players of Atalanta, feel the moral duty to publicly and unconditionally support the hard stance taken by President Ivan Ruggieri against the delinquents who last Sunday caused incidents at the Bergamo stadium, shaming the whole city.

We do not want these delinquents there any more, either at the stadium or at training. We want only the fans of true sport who on Sunday heaivly contested the violent behavior of the minority.]

The statement is typed out on A4 paper. It's signed by the coach and every single one of the first team members.

Well done, Atalanta. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

[I_Rossoneri]

Respect to Atalanta.

The following statement (link) was put up on their website today.

[We, the trainer and players of Atalanta, feel the moral duty to publicly and unconditionally support the hard stance taken by President Ivan Ruggieri against the delinquents who last Sunday caused incidents at the Bergamo stadium, shaming the whole city.

We do not want these delinquents there any more, either at the stadium or at training. We want only the fans of true sport who on Sunday heaivly contested the violent behavior of the minority.]

The statement is typed out on A4 paper. It's signed by the coach and every single one of the first team members.

Well done, Atalanta. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

Exactly, now if more clubs were to do this it would show at least they are taking a positive stance towards eradicating the trouble. After that the government need to take a firm stand as well, long prison sentences etc.

Forza Atalanta BTW hopefully more clubs will follow their stance.

[Rossoneri7]

This is a positive step (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

And I'm sure several other clubs will look down upon their Ultras who threaten the continuity and credentials of their 'so called' clubs.

[I_Rossoneri]

This is a positive step (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

And I'm sure several other clubs will look down upon their Ultras who threaten the continuity and credentials of their 'so called' clubs.

But R7, some people seem to think that clubs are just there for the ultras! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I'm glad that you can see sense though (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[mishie]

But R7, some people seem to think that clubs are just there for the ultras! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I'm glad that you can see sense though (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

whatever

[Jack Sparrow]

Actually, the old ultras were a thing of beauty. I sometimes wish FDL was never disbanded.

It's the new militant outlook that is disturbing. So much that just using the word Ultra has come to mean a football hooligan. Which is just not so.

The Ultras started as a counter to the 'armchair spectator', the guy who sits on his seat/in front of TV and passes comments or whatever. The Ultras for instance come much longer than before the match. Their banners , choreography and all are practised. And of course, they never sit during a match. Always singing or cheering. If you asked me, Serie A needs more of these.

I think this was mishie's point.

The ones who did that sh!t at Bergamo are militants, NOT Ultras. So far I'm glad Brigate Rossonere have kept their noses clean and their dignity intact.

[I_Rossoneri]

Actually, the old ultras were a thing of beauty. I sometimes wish FDL was never disbanded.

It's the new militant outlook that is disturbing. So much that just using the word Ultra has come to mean a football hooligan. Which is just not so.

The Ultras started as a counter to the 'armchair spectator', the guy who sits on his seat/in front of TV and passes comments or whatever. The Ultras for instance come much longer than before the match. Their banners , choreography and all are practised. And of course, they never sit during a match. Always singing or cheering. If you asked me, Serie A needs more of these.

I think this was mishie's point.

The ones who did that sh!t at Bergamo are militants, NOT Ultras. So far I'm glad Brigate Rossonere have kept their noses clean and their dignity intact.

Which is why I wrote 'the minority spoil it for the majority'...

I totally agree with your post Jack and totally understand where you're coming from, but, like you say, the word ultra is becoming the new word for hooligan. And with the Serie A already under pressure this is the last thing it needed! I want to see the Serie A as the strongest league with the best players again, but if this sort of thing carries on then the total opposite will happen.

Edit: I must admit I don't hear the Brigate causing much if any trouble and the FDL were the same. It's just a shame that the inter, Roma, Lazio and now Atalanta 'so called' ultras spoil it for everyone.

This post has been edited by I_Rossoneri: Nov 14 2007, 09:02 PM

[Jack Sparrow]

^^^
(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) The diavoli ultras only fight among themselves. They find the other groups to be a waste of time. No wonder people think we're snobs. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)