[Zed.D]

@ Jack Sparrow

I'm sure there are at least three great coaches who top the shortlist for replacing Carlo ahead of Mourinho and we all know he won't come here eventually.

I just say his attitude (matched almost by no one (except for Capello)) is what a spiritless and unmotivated Milan need right now. Carlo, Lippi, Spalletti, Rijkaard, Van Basten, etc... none of them can do it the way Jose does it. they're just too mellow, too light!

The rest [including how he was seen by his players at Chelsea, who liked him, who disliked him, which players he favored, etc] doesn't have to do ANYTHING with Milan since we're talking about two completely different teams, from different countries, with different histories, different ideas and procedures, etc.

Besides, he has proved he's a great coach when it comes trophies and championships; the statistics are undeniable.

[Jack Sparrow]

You say they're too mellow and light. But I feel honestly, the fact that Mourinho's very media savvy, and says what he feels like publicly, and that the other coaches don't,in no way means that they're too light.

And in any case, Milan is not a team of 19 year olds whom you can discipline like kids. Remember what R99 said about Capello and Carlo being different, and how everyone in the forum was cheering saying that's right.


If you think Rijkaard doesn't have an attitude, think again on how he got the Llama name. MvB?? Holy geez...the Dutch team is comprised of guys who perform. Seedorf had to work his @$$ off to get back in.

Spalletti? C'mon, he built a team into title contenders...you don't do that by being a softie.

Lippi? I don't know. But he handled a team that's as big as Milan, and he did well.

Professionals shouldn't have to be molly coddled or hard whipped to perform. They're being paid to do so and should respect the game and the club enough to do so. And now if they don't I suppose you'll say they have to be sold. But then again, last season look what happened, they suddenly got everything together. Breaking up a winning team is not as easy as you think. It's a change that is almost always forced(unless ur Wenger, who plays it like chess), and through hardships.

Carlo took quite frankly a team who was holding on only due to reputation, and built it up again. As far as I'm concerned he should be allowed to build it once more. He has I think started work on it. Except the f@cking defence. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/realmad.gif)

You can build an offense around Pirlo, Kaka, Pato and Gila. But Nesta is getting older, and it's about time an understudy was brought in. Like Paolo had Baresi. Darmian, Marzoratti...c'mon in.

[Nova]

You say they're too mellow and light. But I feel honestly, the fact that Mourinho's very media savvy, and says what he feels like publicly, and that the other coaches don't,in no way means that they're too light.

And in any case, Milan is not a team of 19 year olds whom you can discipline like kids. Remember what R99 said about Capello and Carlo being different, and how everyone in the forum was cheering saying that's right.
If you think Rijkaard doesn't have an attitude, think again on how he got the Llama name. MvB?? Holy geez...the Dutch team is comprised of guys who perform. Seedorf had to work his @$$ off to get back in.

Spalletti? C'mon, he built a team into title contenders...you don't do that by being a softie.

Lippi? I don't know. But he handled a team that's as big as Milan, and he did well.

Professionals shouldn't have to be molly coddled or hard whipped to perform. They're being paid to do so and should respect the game and the club enough to do so. And now if they don't I suppose you'll say they have to be sold. But then again, last season look what happened, they suddenly got everything together. Breaking up a winning team is not as easy as you think. It's a change that is almost always forced(unless ur Wenger, who plays it like chess), and through hardships.

Carlo took quite frankly a team who was holding on only due to reputation, and built it up again. As far as I'm concerned he should be allowed to build it once more. He has I think started work on it. Except the f@cking defence. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/realmad.gif)

You can build an offense around Pirlo, Kaka, Pato and Gila. But Nesta is getting older, and it's about time an understudy was brought in. Like Paolo had Baresi. Darmian, Marzoratti...c'mon in.

Great post buddy !

[Rossoneri7]

Totally agree with Jack ! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

The thing about Mourinho was he was not camerca shy nor was he able to contain his anger in front of the media .. Before Chelsea he won the CL, so what ?? Even then, NONE wanted him (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) But just because he has become the type of person who simply loves to talk to the press, .. Now he is a favorite! And if ur judging by credentials ?? Give Carlo/Lippi/Capello/Hiddnik/ or anyone of the top notch coaches .. And I'll cut off my hand if they don't win the CL and EPL in one season (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[kurtsimonw]

Give Carlo/Lippi/Capello/Hiddnik/ or anyone of the top notch coaches .. And I'll cut off my hand if they don't win the CL and EPL in one season (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Win the CL and EPL in one season?

Either you're over-exaggerating or disrespecting every manager that's even been in the EPL. Well, except for Sir Alex, since he's the only one to win both competitions in a year.

[dst]

There's a simple reason why I don't want Mourinho at Milan; he'd still be running inside Camp Nou, yelling about Sheva's incorrectly disallowed goal!

[Rossoneri7]

Win the CL and EPL in one season?

Either you're over-exaggerating or disrespecting every manager that's even been in the EPL. Well, except for Sir Alex, since he's the only one to win both competitions in a year.

No I am not exaggerating .. Look at the calibure of coaches that are in the EPL atm .. Surely they can't compete for two titles (not even ur beloved Mourinho .. except for those league cups if u consider them imporant that is) ... SAF is the ONLY one to win the Treble and he is a top notch coach.

Why not ? I mean, we are talking about Chelsea here with Cech in Goal and Drogba as a striker ... And please let me not elaborate more on the quality in between nor on the high quality bench (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

So yes, from that prespective, give Carlo the reigns of Chelsea and you'll see something you have never seen before!

[Jack Sparrow]

There's a simple reason why I don't want Mourinho at Milan; he'd still be running inside Camp Nou, yelling about Sheva's incorrectly disallowed goal!

Next time I want my monster posts to be cut down to one line, I'll know to send you a PM. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[kurtsimonw]

No I am not exaggerating .. Look at the calibure of coaches that are in the EPL atm .. Surely they can't compete for two titles (not even ur beloved Mourinho .. except for those league cups if u consider them imporant that is) ... SAF is the ONLY one to win the Treble and he is a top notch coach.

SAF is the only one to win the treble. That's because it's a tough league, so it's very hard to do. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Jose can't compete for 2 titles? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Does it matter how prestigous the League Cup is, or how ignorant foreigners are to the FA Cup? Not really, Mourinho still had to play the like sof United, Arsenal and Liverpool in those competition.

He had numerous CL semi=finals (Which shows he was able to compete in it, being th best 4 in Europe is hardly bad. Especially when you win the league + domestic Cup in the same year.

[Rossoneri7]

^^^

U r missing the point i was making. As always, u seem to think i don't rate the epl ... that wasn't what i was going about.

Imagine a world of just a league title and cl .. no league cups at all. Now, picture the current chelsea squad and carlo or any of the others that i have stated, with respect to united and arsenal; chelsea have a much stronger squad. And it is in this context that i say he could win the double.


p.s. when u talk about foreigners, please note that i lived in london and was born in st mary's hospital .. which makes me (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[kurtsimonw]

^^^

U r missing the point i was making. As always, u seem to think i don't rate the epl ... that wasn't what i was going about.

Imagine a world of just a league title and cl .. no league cups at all. Now, picture the current chelsea squad and carlo or any of the others that i have stated, with respect to united and arsenal; chelsea have a much stronger squad. And it is in this context that i say he could win the double.
p.s. when u talk about foreigners, please note that i lived in london and was born in st mary's hospital .. which makes me (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I was referring to you as a foreigner, I was referring to none-UK managers. They don't compete in some Cups because they don't understand it's tradition/history.

That's why Rafa was dislikes by Liverpool fans after Burnley knocked them out of the FA Cup in it's first year.

Yes, Chelsea probably would win the double if football over here only had a league and the CL to play for. But it's not that way.

[Rossoneri7]

I was referring to you as a foreigner, I was referring to none-UK managers. They don't compete in some Cups because they don't understand it's tradition/history.

That's why Rafa was dislikes by Liverpool fans after Burnley knocked them out of the FA Cup in it's first year.

Yes, Chelsea probably would win the double if football over here only had a league and the CL to play for. But it's not that way.

Why not ? Abramovic clearly only cares for the league and cl. And a top notch coach would have no problem winning them. I know i speak hypothetically, but with a squad like chelsea, it is bound to happen. And i wouldn't be surprised if it did in the next couple of seasons.

Plus the added fact of fa cup and league cup (only one of them is considered historical) .. they competition wouldn't be as severe for the epl (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

in anycase this is just hypothetical ... but think about it a bit a little.

[Bluesummers]

Problem i find with mourinho is that his arrogance and attitude get in the way of his job often. If they get a good result say 4-0 and he says oh we won that thanks to my hard effort and my coaching abilities, well i see that as a problem. It was not him on the pitch, it was the players. And if he does come to milan and starts saying that, i wont be joyed. You can say that when your squad is filled with young players but saying things like that with professionals who have been playing for 5 years+ who know how to win is just plain stupid. Thats why many disliked him at Chelsea because before he was coach, they still won games at their previous clubs.

[KillerMax]

Problem i find with mourinho is that his arrogance and attitude get in the way of his job often.  If they get a good result say 4-0 and he says oh we won that thanks to my hard effort and my coaching abilities, well i see that as a problem.  It was not him on the pitch, it was the players.  And if he does come to milan and starts saying that, i wont be joyed.  You can say that when your squad is filled with young players but saying things like that with professionals who have been playing for 5 years+ who know how to win is just plain stupid.  Thats why many disliked him at Chelsea because before he was coach, they still won games at their previous clubs.

When did he say that?

[Zed.D]

@ Jack Sparrow

You didn't exactly understand what I meant. I never said likes of Spalletti, MVB, Rijkaard, etc are not as good as Mourinho; I didn't mean they're too light either. I meant compared to Mourinho, they don't have the necessary charisma to to take over a squad full of condescending winners and champions! and I'm saying the truth.

They're good enough for Madrid, Roma or Chelsea's players; a bunch of young and hungry players who are ready to die in order to get a starting place. there's not been such thing in Milan for a while now and bringing coaches who do it the soft way will not do. only Cappello or Mourinho (from available options) have such personality and charisma imo.