[Portman]

http://www.as.com/articulo/futbol/Alves/Ba...sdaiftb_40/Tes/

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Ronaldinho to Chelsea, Daniel Alves to Barcelona.

What the hell is this? Are they joking with the entire Europe or what? I really hope so... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[PS: I just posted this in the Milan NEWS section because it talks about 10R]

[dst]

Meaningless tricks ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) R u talking about CR ?!

Defenders are not underestimated !! I mean, if u take the fee that Berlusconi payed for Nesta, u would know that this isn't true ... The golden ball ?! If I was given the opportunity to be the judge of that competition it would go to Maldini hands down !!!

What I was pointing towards is a wing back, I mean sure he has quality and is fast and all that, but Alves really shouldn't be compared to R10 ! Neither should Carlos, Cafu, Zambrotta, etc ...

Then, we are not willing to spend 100M ... It is the owner of the club that is willing ... It's ok, you can evaluate Alves to be the best footballer in the game .. If u can live with this idea, then by all means (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

But don't compare R10 to Alves. Not because of the quality that R10 has, but because you are talking about a player that has played at the highest of stages !! And comparing him to a player who has yet to feel the pressure of playing for a BIG club.

No, I'm talking about Ronaldinho...

Nesta was and is the best CB in the world! He captained Lazio to a scudetto... and he was a big desire of Berlusconi... the biggest at that time... what he paid is only the exception that proves the rule! In Italy they do rate defenders highly but Italy is only a small part of the football world...

You are not the one who decides who's given the Golden Ball... what matters is that those that actually decide for it never gave it to Maldini or any other defender before 2006... That is a fact and that proves that they are underestimated!

I see you rate Ronaldinho really high... well, I don't. Roberto Carlos is a legend to me, so is Ronaldo... R20 has a long way to go to reach that level in my view... and if he keeps on putting money first he never will! If I was still 5 maybe I would be in love with every fancy move he makes but they hype around him does not affect me... I rate him for what he is not for what people think he is!

I don't think Alves is the best in the game, how the heck did you come up with that!?? And don't act like everyone must think as you do; I don't like Ronaldinho and that's it, you laughing is not going to change my opinion...

I did not compare Alves to R10...

[Rossoneri7]

No, I'm talking about Ronaldinho...

Nesta was and is the best CB in the world! He captained Lazio to a scudetto... and he was a big desire of Berlusconi... the biggest at that time... what he paid is only the exception that proves the rule! In Italy they do rate defenders highly but Italy is only a small part of the football world...

You are not the one who decides who's given the Golden Ball... what matters is that those that actually decide for it never gave it to Maldini or any other defender before 2006... That is a fact and that proves that they are underestimated!

I see you rate Ronaldinho really high... well, I don't. Roberto Carlos is a legend to me, so is Ronaldo... R20 has a long way to go to reach that level in my view... and if he keeps on putting money first he never will! If I was still 5 maybe I would be in love with every fancy move he makes but they hype around him does not affect me... I rate him for what he is not for what people think he is!

I don't think Alves is the best in the game, how the heck did you come up with that!?? And don't act like everyone must think as you do; I don't like Ronaldinho and that's it, you laughing is not going to change my opinion...

I did not compare Alves to R10...

Who said I was laughing ?!

And I wasn't talking to u in the first place ... U just jumping head in to a discussion where I was trying to understand how a wing back (Alves) is to be compared to a forward (R10).

If u and Kurt don't rate R10 .. That is ok, I am not his lawyer and I am not implying that everyone should believe that he really is the best. All I am saying is he has won a lot ! And he is, believe it or not, the MVP in Europe.

Carlos is a great wing back !! I never said anything to contradict this; all I said is he is a wing back and shouldn't be compared to a forward !

Ronaldo is the phenomenon and I have nothing more to add about him, wearing the Rossoneri jersey leaves little for me to add (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif)

Nesta is the best centerback in the world (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I didn't disagree there ... Madrid bought Pepe for how much ? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ... Thus it isn't an exception to the rule .. center backs like Nesta, Puyol, Terry, Ferdinand, Carrager, etc they would cost a fortune .. Thus it isn't an exception to the rule.

But Alves ?! IMO he has been too hyped up. He is good, but not Milan quality good. And u don't have to agree with me ... Cuz he really isn't that important of a player for me in the first place

[Portman]

But Alves ?! IMO he has been too hyped up. He is good, but not Milan quality good. And u don't have to agree with me ... Cuz he really isn't that important of a player for me in the first place

You don't follow Sevilla do you?

He's by far the best RB in the world who can play also as RW, RM. He's as good as Cafu in his prime IMO, although he's only 24.

[Rossoneri7]

You don't follow Sevilla do you?

He's by far the best RB in the world who can play also as RW, RM. He's as good as Cafu in his prime IMO, although he's only 24.

Yes I did follow Sevilla ... And he is the perfect tactical tool; where u can play him in several positions on the right. But, he has yet to prove himself at a top club ... i.e. he lacks experience.

Look at Cicinho, before Madrid people were going crazy ... Now look at him, average at best !

Cafu on the other hand is a double world cup winner amongst his vast gold medal collection. He is of the highest quality ! Cafu is Cafu.


Alves, has yet to prove what he can do. Personally, I don't see a problem with him being in the Sevilla team on Friday ! I think it would be great to once again prove a point ! You bring him up against the likes of Kaka' or Seedorf and I will guarantee you he will be begging to be subbed after getting owned 12 times in the first 20 minutes (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif)

Sure he has the speed and all that 'flair', but tell me when did he really turn it on against teams like Milan or Juve ?! IMO, he has a long way to go, cuz Spanish defenses aren't exactly Serie A quality (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) . Maybe in time he will mature and come clean, but as of now, he really isn't worth all this hype IMO.

oh and the best right back in the world is Oddo (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)