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Aug 6 2007, 10:42 PM
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Allievi Nazionali
        
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You know, I'm really not that excited about all this hype around Pato. He is getting too much praise for so little he has done. And we have allegedly paid 22m Euros form him. That's a lot of money for someone who could well turn out to be just an average player at Milan. Just the way our official website is hyping this signing like it's the greatest thing that has ever happened in the World of football gets me all bored. We bought a 17 year old kid with braces and we call our summer signings over?
First of all that's too much unnecessary pressure on the kid.
Second of all, look at Barca's squad for god sake. They have the best young player in the World in Messi. And then they have Krkic and Dos Santos. I haven't seen much from Santos, but Krkic is easily a bigger talent than Pato. Pato is getting all this hype because he is Brazilian. Krkic on the other hand looks twice as promising as this guy. And Barca haven't paid a dime for any of these kids...
I'm not saying Pato is crap, but he is just another talented kid who is being dangerously hyped. And it's not like we have the jewel of young talents. IMO Barca have better ones. Looking at our team and its lack of pace and all those old players, we really needed some quality signings this season. And I keep hearing this thing about the team that just won the Champions League. You know, technically, saving your energy and players to only play good in the latter stages of CL and playing like crap with no energy and desire in other games doesn't count as success to me. We need a deep and healthy squad with determination and desire to win every single game. Whether it's Serie A or Champions League.
Now Pato is not even available to us until January and he is too young to really make a big difference. Because it's really not about how much technique you have. Look at Gourcuff, he is technically superior to most of our players but he is finding it hard to establish himself in the first team.
All in all, with the squad we have, it's only a matter of time until we run into serious problems and midway through the season we will find it hard to keep up and eventually will have to sacrifice competition after competition to help us recharge.
Please share your two cents.
This post has been edited by pKillerMax: Aug 6 2007, 10:46 PM
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Aug 8 2007, 06:00 PM
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Prima Squadra
           
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People seem to think being European Champions solves all of our problems and means we are the best.
Get real! Serie A and The Premier League are much harder to win than the Champions League. Look at the finalists in recent years. Milan, Liverpool, Arsenal, Monaco. No disrespect to any of them, but they're not even the top teams domestically.
Now consider this. Chelsea won both domestic cups, finished in the top 2 the previous 3 years, made 2 Champions League semi Finals - They compete in 4 competitions and still do well. Now look at Milan. We don't even think of the Coppa, we don't compete in Serie A so the CL is the only thing we have left. So yes, we should do well in it. Even Liverpool do well in more than just one competition.
Start looking at things realistically as opposed to thinking Pato is the next coming that will save all our problems, he won't.
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Aug 9 2007, 04:08 PM
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QUOTE (LaPalma @ Aug 8 2007, 07:08 PM) These avergae players are only European champions on the paper. I don't want to say anything bad about them as you're right: They play with a lot of heart for Milan, but the "true" european champions are Seedorf, Pippo, Pirlo....and above all Kaká. We have a very strong team...I agree. But Dida the best goalie in the world? Come on...you're heavily heavily biased. You have to agree that at least Gigi is better than Dida. The Brazilian is a very good keeper, but IMO his class is declining year by year. Don't get me wrong. I don't want stars like Diego and others on our bench. That'd be nuts. But how about a player like Maresca? And how about some promising young players? We really need a good CB as Maldini won't play too many matches next year I believe. And I'm not saying we can't win anything next season. Last summer I was one of the few people thinking of winning the CL. We can do that again of course...and we can even win the Scudetto, but Inter has much better chances to win the league (as they have more quality players) as other teams have much better chances to win the CL. We do have young players on our bench; Gila, Gourcuff, Pato .. I think the club is working on finding a replacement for our aging defense (which proved once again that it is the best in the world) ... So that shouldn't be an issue of concern (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Dida .. Yeah, I'm very biased. But u got to hand it to him, he was the better goalkeeper in 03 (Old Trafford) QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 8 2007, 08:00 PM) People seem to think being European Champions solves all of our problems and means we are the best. Get real! Serie A and The Premier League are much harder to win than the Champions League. Look at the finalists in recent years. Milan, Liverpool, Arsenal, Monaco. No disrespect to any of them, but they're not even the top teams domestically. Now consider this. Chelsea won both domestic cups, finished in the top 2 the previous 3 years, made 2 Champions League semi Finals - They compete in 4 competitions and still do well. Now look at Milan. We don't even think of the Coppa, we don't compete in Serie A so the CL is the only thing we have left. So yes, we should do well in it. Even Liverpool do well in more than just one competition. Start looking at things realistically as opposed to thinking Pato is the next coming that will save all our problems, he won't. Who said being European Champion solves all of our problems ?! The men on the field solve our problems (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif) .. But we are the best (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif) In fact we are ranked #1 in Europe. We are the most decorated club on the international front. Then who said that Milan don't compete on several fronts .. (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) You probably missed Milan's last 3 seasons before this one (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Pato is a kid !! 17 yr old kid ! There is nothing more to it. Chelsea ?! (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Since when did Chelsea become a reference point when comparing top European teams (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Madrid, Barca, Milan, Juve .. These are the clubs u should compare (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Liverpool ?! The last time they won the league was in the 90s (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Look Kurt ... I think AC Milan is the top club in Europe, period. Therefor I am convinced that no matter what team we have, we will always prevail! As we saw in Athena. So, don't get the wrong idea (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Aug 9 2007, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 9 2007, 03:08 PM) Barca have only won it once still they are a comparible club, Chelsea have been since Abramovich came in simple as. Liverpool haven't won the league since 89/90 but have attained a Champions League, UEFA Cup, UEFA Super Cup, 3 League Cups, 3 FA Cups and only us and Madrid better them in the Champions League in terms of winning of course they are a comparible team (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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I was expecting a... Aug 6 2007, 11:42 PM redbabies There has never been a young player that conviced ... Aug 7 2007, 12:11 AM Portikins QUOTE (redbabies @ Aug 7 2007, 12:11 AM)I dun... Aug 7 2007, 12:33 AM Warchant oh how quickly people forget where we were this ti... Aug 7 2007, 12:44 AM bigmacmtl QUOTE (Warchant @ Aug 6 2007, 06:44 PM)oh how... Aug 7 2007, 04:26 AM Rossoneri7 I do agree with Maxs points about ppl hyping up Pa... Aug 7 2007, 03:55 AM Warchant QUOTE (bigmacmtl @ Aug 6 2007, 10:26 PM)last ... Aug 7 2007, 05:22 AM bigmacmtl QUOTE (Warchant @ Aug 6 2007, 11:22 PM)i beli... Aug 8 2007, 06:01 AM LaPalma I have to agree with Max, that it'll be anothe... Aug 7 2007, 02:05 PM KillerMax QUOTE (LaPalma @ Aug 7 2007, 07:05 AM)And I w... Aug 7 2007, 08:23 PM Jack Sparrow I dunno Max. As I heard, the primary reason, why w... Aug 8 2007, 04:37 AM LaPalma QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 8 2007, 04:37 AM)I ... Aug 8 2007, 02:58 PM MizNelson I am in agreement of the assessment that Milan are... Aug 8 2007, 05:54 AM kurtsimonw QUOTE (BMWTaylor @ Aug 8 2007, 04:54 AM)I am ... Aug 8 2007, 07:09 AM  zdrossoneri QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 8 2007, 09:39 AM)Agre... Aug 8 2007, 09:18 AM   mkenya IMO guys are just complaining and being emotional.... Aug 8 2007, 10:33 AM    zdrossoneri QUOTE (mkenya @ Aug 8 2007, 01:03 PM)IMO guys... Aug 8 2007, 12:41 PM    Kaka Is Brilliant QUOTE (mkenya @ Aug 8 2007, 09:33 AM)IMO guys... Aug 8 2007, 03:51 PM Rossoneri7 @LaPalma .. We do have these average players, yes,... Aug 8 2007, 03:33 PM LaPalma QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 8 2007, 03:33 PM)@LaP... Aug 8 2007, 05:08 PM  MizNelson QUOTE (LaPalma)We have a very strong team...I agre... Aug 8 2007, 06:29 PM Kaka Is Brilliant QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 8 2007, 05:00 PM)Peop... Aug 8 2007, 06:05 PM KillerMax QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 8 2007, 11:00 AM)Peop... Aug 8 2007, 07:42 PM bigmacmtl QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 8 2007, 12:00 PM)Peop... Aug 8 2007, 08:31 PM  LaPalma QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 9 2007, 04:08 PM)We d... Aug 10 2007, 12:26 PM Jack Sparrow kurt just convinced me. I'm gonna go off and s... Aug 9 2007, 04:32 AM bigmacmtl QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 8 2007, 10:32 PM)ku... Aug 9 2007, 06:24 AM kurtsimonw People seem to be going on about history, I don... Aug 9 2007, 08:16 PM Tennie QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 9 2007, 03:16 PM)Peop... Aug 9 2007, 08:45 PM kurtsimonw QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 9 2007, 07:45 PM)Does thi... Aug 9 2007, 11:01 PM Kaka Is Brilliant QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 9 2007, 07:45 PM)Does thi... Aug 10 2007, 12:27 AM Rossoneri7 If the EPL is your reference point to football .. ... Aug 10 2007, 01:12 AM kurtsimonw QUOTE If the EPL is your reference point to footba... Aug 10 2007, 01:20 AM  zdrossoneri QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 10 2007, 03:50 AM)To ... Aug 14 2007, 01:39 PM dst @Kurt: You're not really saying ********* have... Aug 10 2007, 01:24 AM kurtsimonw QUOTE (dst @ Aug 10 2007, 12:24 AM)@Kurt: You... Aug 10 2007, 01:51 AM  Rossoneri7 QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 10 2007, 03:51 AM)@R7... Aug 10 2007, 02:35 AM   kurtsimonw QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 10 2007, 01:35 AM)I d... Aug 10 2007, 04:17 AM Rossoneri7 I know ur English mate
All I'm saying is, ... Aug 10 2007, 01:50 AM dst QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 10 2007, 03:51 AM)I... Aug 10 2007, 03:36 AM Rossoneri7 @kurt ... All I am saying is, u cant bring a team ... Aug 14 2007, 01:47 AM bigmacmtl QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 13 2007, 07:47 PM)@ku... Aug 14 2007, 01:55 AM kurtsimonw The League Cup may not be the most prestigious thi... Aug 14 2007, 03:03 AM Rossoneri7 No, I have a very clear idea about it ... But my p... Aug 14 2007, 07:14 AM Kaka Is Brilliant QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 14 2007, 06:14 AM)No,... Aug 14 2007, 01:09 PM Jack Sparrow QUOTE there is nothing like it around the world...... Aug 14 2007, 01:27 PM dst QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 10 2007, 03:20 AM)To ... Aug 14 2007, 03:44 PM zdrossoneri QUOTE (dst @ Aug 14 2007, 06:14 PM)By a long ... Aug 14 2007, 05:27 PM  Kaka Is Brilliant QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Aug 14 2007, 04:27 PM)FA... Aug 14 2007, 05:33 PM Tennie Not to unnecessarily dredge up a tragedy, but I wo... Aug 14 2007, 03:54 PM Kaka Is Brilliant QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 14 2007, 02:54 PM)Not to ... Aug 14 2007, 04:50 PM dst QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Aug 14 2007, 06:50... Aug 14 2007, 05:52 PM kurtsimonw QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Aug 14 2007, 12:39 PM) O... Aug 14 2007, 07:18 PM KillerMax QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 14 2007, 12:18 PM)The... Aug 15 2007, 12:05 AM  kurtsimonw QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Aug 14 2007, 11:05 PM)To ... Aug 15 2007, 12:35 AM   KillerMax QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 14 2007, 05:35 PM)Tha... Aug 15 2007, 01:35 AM bigmacmtl QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 14 2007, 01:18 PM)Mor... Aug 15 2007, 01:41 AM jefri91 QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Aug 14 2007, 11:05 PM)To ... Aug 15 2007, 01:14 AM kurtsimonw QUOTE (jefri91 @ Aug 15 2007, 12:14 AM)that s... Aug 15 2007, 01:20 AM kurtsimonw That's one way to look at it.
The other is th... Aug 15 2007, 01:54 AM dst QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 14 2007, 09:18 PM)I t... Aug 15 2007, 03:41 AM kurtsimonw QUOTE (dst @ Aug 15 2007, 02:41 AM)Let's ... Aug 15 2007, 03:56 AM dst QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 15 2007, 05:56 AM)Bec... Aug 15 2007, 04:02 AM kurtsimonw The winner of the EPL is called the Champions of E... Aug 15 2007, 04:17 AM dst QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 15 2007, 06:17 AM)The... Aug 15 2007, 04:28 AM kurtsimonw QUOTE (dst @ Aug 15 2007, 03:28 AM)Yes they a... Aug 15 2007, 04:59 AM dst QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 15 2007, 06:59 AM)I... Aug 15 2007, 05:22 AM kurtsimonw QUOTE (dst @ Aug 15 2007, 04:22 AM)Yes but no... Aug 15 2007, 05:34 AM dst QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 15 2007, 07:34 AM)I h... Aug 15 2007, 05:44 AM kurtsimonw QUOTE (dst @ Aug 15 2007, 04:44 AM)So you adm... Aug 15 2007, 05:55 AM  Rossoneri7 QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 15 2007, 07:55 AM)I n... Aug 15 2007, 12:09 PM   kurtsimonw QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 15 2007, 11:09 AM)Sia... Aug 15 2007, 09:09 PM    Rossoneri7 QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 15 2007, 11:09 PM)And... Aug 15 2007, 10:40 PM     kurtsimonw QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 15 2007, 09:40 PM)Wel... Aug 15 2007, 10:49 PM      Rossoneri7 QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 16 2007, 12:49 AM)Mil... Aug 15 2007, 11:07 PM       kurtsimonw QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 15 2007, 10:07 PM)... Aug 15 2007, 11:22 PM      zdrossoneri QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 16 2007, 01:19 AM)I t... Aug 15 2007, 11:46 PM       m1ke QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Aug 15 2007, 10:46 PM)I ... Aug 16 2007, 12:48 PM        zdrossoneri QUOTE (m1ke @ Aug 16 2007, 03:18 PM)Interesti... Aug 16 2007, 03:23 PM zdrossoneri I thought you were going to discuss the season ahe... Aug 15 2007, 10:11 PM Kaka Is Brilliant QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Aug 15 2007, 09:11 PM)I ... Aug 15 2007, 10:16 PM kurtsimonw QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Aug 15 2007, 09:11 PM)I ... Aug 15 2007, 10:33 PM zdrossoneri QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Aug 16 2007, 12:46... Aug 15 2007, 10:53 PM Jack Sparrow Winning the World Club championship shouldn't ... Aug 16 2007, 04:42 PM bigmacmtl aubemeyang is back with the primavera squad and fr... Aug 16 2007, 09:24 PM kurtsimonw Take for example..
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Maldini + Ga... Aug 16 2007, 09:52 PM bigmacmtl QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 16 2007, 03:52 PM)Tak... Aug 16 2007, 11:48 PM kurtsimonw I dunno about Liverpool. In Rafa's first year ... Aug 16 2007, 11:53 PM Portikins QUOTE
If that's the market of the Champions ... Aug 31 2007, 11:40 PM KillerMax I imagine it will be much better next season. Sep 1 2007, 12:07 AM dst QUOTE (Porty @ Sep 1 2007, 01:40 AM)If that... Sep 1 2007, 12:08 AM KillerMax QUOTE (dst @ Aug 31 2007, 05:08 PM)Hey Santa ... Sep 1 2007, 12:25 AM dst QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Sep 1 2007, 02:25 AM)But ... Sep 1 2007, 12:29 AM kurtsimonw QUOTE (dst @ Aug 31 2007, 11:29 PM)You haven... Sep 1 2007, 12:31 AM
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