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KillerMax
post Sep 27 2006, 01:55 AM
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Now, before you say that he scored 19 goals for us last season (in all competitions), I want you to look back and see when he scored, against which teams and how often. Most of his goals were NOT match winners and were scored against small teams. He never scored consistently and he scored 0 goals in 10 Champions League games he played. His last goal was against Cagilari last season, 18th of Febuary. Which means he has not found the net for 7 straight months for Milan (yeah, I know about off season). Not even in friendly matches. Yet, he has had SO MANY chances to break his duck, but he has wasted them ALL! I always had faith in him, but as much as I hate to say it( (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) ) now I realize that he really isn't a Milan class player. I had high hopes for him, but he did not live up to them. Even if he starts scoring again, it is not going to change the fact that he has made Milan pay for having faith in him.

I know what some of you are gonna say in counter arguement, so I give my answer now:

1) He doesn't get that many chances:

a. If a striker like Inzaghi gets 10+ chances per game every time he plays and Gila only gets 2, it means Gila is not as good a striker. b. Seriously, how many chances a world class striker needs to score? Not many. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

2. Gila can't play with Pippo/ Boriello/ Kaka etc.. etc...

That simply means he is NOT good enough. A world class striker scores at least once in a while, even in the worst of situations.

3. He has bad luck:

I agree, sometimes. Inzaghi has bad luck too! So does every other striker. But what makes the difference between them and Gila is that they will finally get that goal somehow. Perfect example = our very own Inzaghi.

4. He is a good team player.

Of course he is. I 120% agree with you. That's actually the only reason he is not being cussed at for the moment. But I know for a fact that me and many others have realized that he should not be in the starting line up anymore. As good of a team player he is, he is also a striker and he keeps missing and missing and missing and missing and missing and missing and missing and missing and missing and missing and missing and missing and....

5. He is too young:

24 is not too young. Plus, I don't see any signs of progress in his game. He is only going downhill.


What I think we should do? Keep him as our 3rd striker until Jan and then make him our 4th striker, get rid of Boriello and buy a new striker with some spice in his game!

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MilanGilafan
post Oct 1 2006, 07:33 PM
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GILARDINO ISN'T A FLOP !!!

He's a great player, and YES, I know, he hasn't scored lateley... but the question is why ? I like him a lot, he's a great person and a great player, and I really believe in him, so I've asked myself "but why hasn't he scored yet ? He is completly unlucky or what ? ". I think I've found the answer last tuesday, after having watched the match vs Lilles : I think the problem isn't Gilardino himself, but his role in the team (and that's also true when he plays with the national team).

Think about the match vs Lille : so Gila was alone in front, supported by Seedorf and Kaka. What is a forward supposed to do when he plays in this position ? Take the ball given by his companions (so Kaka and Seedorf in that case) and score, of course. And if the ball doesn't come to him, he must try to go and get it.
Ok, so now think about what Gila did :

First, he stayed in front, and waited for his companions (as most of the forwards often do, like Pippo or Luca Toni for example) to bring him the ball ... but the problem was that NO ball reached the front, all were lost (by Seedorf, Kaka, cafu...) between the middle and the front of the field. And what did Kaka or Seedorf did when they had the ball in that part of the field ? They gave the ball backwards, to Pirlo or Gattuso, instead of giving him to Gila, who was WELL POSITIONNED !!

So what Gila did when he understood that nobody would give him the ball ? He went to get it in the middle of the field... and manage to bring the ball to the front of the field (contrary to other players, who lost it on the way) but then, what can he do ? He has only 2 options left :

1. He keeps the ball, and finally gives it to another player, who then can easily SCORE (and that's what happened when Seedorf scored...)....and becames the hero of the match, while Gila is criticized for not having scored again...

2. He gives the ball to another player, then run forwards, hoping the player he gave the ball to will give him the ball, offering him a chance to score... but what happened when Gila did that during the match vs Lille ? When he gave the ball to Kaka or Seedorf, they didn't give him the ball then (even if he was ONCE AGAIN WELL POSITIONED !!), but they played backwards, with Pirlo or Gattuso for example...

So during this match, Gilardino tried everything he could do, he played well but the problem is the other players didn't play WITH him !!! Kaka and Seedorf especially, who played as if Gila wasn't there !!!

When he plays (with Milan or the national team), Gila doesn't hesitate to sacrify himself, giving the ball to others if he thinks they are better positioned than him to score, but the other players don't do the same with him... they keep the ball for themselves (that's what happens when Gilardino plays with a great forward, like Pippo or Luca Toni : he always stays in their shadow in a way) or they give it to another player (like Kaka and Seedorf did during the match against Lilles...as if they didn't trust Gila in a way).... That's the reason why Gila gets so few occasions to score... if you think about it, his best occasions are a corner or a free kick (and when you think about it, that's how he scored vs Germany during the World Cup or vs France during the euro qualifications....)

So the problem isn't Gila himslef, but the way he plays with others.... he sacrifies himself for the team, but the other players don't do the same with him....
Maybe it's because he's too kind, I don't know, or because he's not as willing to score HIMSELF as forwards usually are (think of Pippo or Luca Toni for example).... but that's definitly a problem... He won't manage to score often if things remain like that...

So I think it's completly UNFAIR to criticize him like that, to say he's "a flop" , because the problem isn't Gila himslef, but the way he plays with other players (and the way other players play with him...) and because even if he doesn't score, he still plays a very important role in the team.

And I think it's also unfair to criticize him for the occasions he missed, because he's not the only one to miss great occasions, it happens to everybody (yes, even to Pippo, Luca Toni, Roberto Baggio, Totti...it happens to all the great strikers), the problem is just that Gila gets less occasions than other forwards, so if he miss one occasion, he doesn't usually get other occasions to score in a match, contrary to other forwards...

Gilardino is a great player, I believe in him, I'm sure he's going to score great goals again soon, he just needs more time than other forwars, because other forwards don't sacrify themselves as he does for their team...

FORZA GILA !!!!!!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif)
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post Oct 1 2006, 07:40 PM
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That was a great post MilangilaFan. I really like him too!! But he really has to shake things up! The game today against Siena was good. If he keeps playing like that, he will score soon.
Forza Gila!

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- KillerMax   Gilardino a flop?   Sep 27 2006, 01:55 AM
- - KillerMax   BTW, now every time I see a picture of Gila, it ma...   Sep 27 2006, 02:06 AM
- - misha   Good post pKillerMax I have a feeling that his ti...   Sep 27 2006, 02:11 AM
|- - KillerMax   QUOTE (mishale @ Sep 26 2006, 07:11 PM)Good p...   Sep 27 2006, 02:17 AM
|- - misha   QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Sep 27 2006, 04:17 AM)To ...   Sep 27 2006, 02:22 AM
|- - KillerMax   QUOTE (mishale @ Sep 26 2006, 07:22 PM)The se...   Sep 27 2006, 02:27 AM
- - Rossoneri7   Nice post .. But lets sit back and see how he doe...   Sep 27 2006, 02:34 AM
- - mKei   I Really belive in Gila and i think he will pop th...   Sep 27 2006, 02:41 AM
- - arivanjj   well so far yeah, he has been a flop, but don...   Sep 27 2006, 07:10 AM
|- - Portikins   QUOTE (arivanjj @ Sep 27 2006, 06:10 AM)well ...   Sep 27 2006, 12:16 PM
- - I_Rossoneri   It's all to do with confidence IMO. As soon as...   Sep 27 2006, 09:29 AM
|- - redbabies   Not 100% but 10000000000% I agree with this articl...   Sep 29 2006, 09:36 PM
- - dst   No way ... I know strikers are meant to score goal...   Sep 27 2006, 12:35 PM
- - LaPalma   QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Sep 27 2006, 12:55 AM)Now...   Sep 27 2006, 12:40 PM
- - X-Offender   I agree with almost everything here. He's not ...   Sep 27 2006, 03:03 PM
|- - LaPalma   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 27 2006, 02:03 P...   Sep 27 2006, 03:17 PM
- - amancik   QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Sep 27 2006, 02:06 AM)BTW...   Sep 27 2006, 05:46 PM
- - amancik   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 27 2006, 03:03 P...   Sep 27 2006, 05:53 PM
- - han2503   QUOTE (dst @ Sep 27 2006, 11:35 AM)No way ......   Sep 27 2006, 06:41 PM
- - aaron   i think he also realy want to score let us wait fo...   Sep 27 2006, 07:11 PM
- - dst   QUOTE (aaron @ Sep 27 2006, 09:11 PM)i think ...   Sep 27 2006, 07:14 PM
|- - hashkal   QUOTE (dst @ Sep 27 2006, 10:14 AM)I think he...   Sep 29 2006, 10:01 PM
|- - KillerMax   Now only if Gila had Inzaghi's flair...   Sep 29 2006, 10:35 PM
- - mishie   he will come good for sure. the gila of parma carr...   Sep 27 2006, 08:24 PM
- - KillerMax   BTW, I'm not going to shave my beard until Gil...   Sep 29 2006, 10:54 PM
|- - misha   QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Sep 30 2006, 12:54 AM)BTW...   Sep 29 2006, 11:35 PM
|- - LaPalma   QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Sep 29 2006, 09:54 PM)BTW...   Sep 30 2006, 02:21 AM
|- - KillerMax   QUOTE (LaPalma @ Sep 29 2006, 07:21 PM)Well O...   Sep 30 2006, 02:31 AM
|- - LaPalma   QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Sep 30 2006, 01:31 AM)Tha...   Sep 30 2006, 01:48 PM
- - dst   QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Sep 30 2006, 12:54 AM)You...   Sep 29 2006, 11:42 PM
|- - KillerMax   QUOTE (dst @ Sep 29 2006, 04:42 PM)Is this ac...   Sep 30 2006, 12:01 AM
- - dst   QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Sep 30 2006, 02:01 AM)Oh ...   Sep 30 2006, 12:06 AM
- - HasanHasanly   @pKillerMax Wow u have long to wait @LaPalma Yo...   Sep 30 2006, 04:01 PM
|- - LaPalma   QUOTE (HasanHasanly @ Sep 30 2006, 03:01 PM)@...   Sep 30 2006, 05:10 PM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (LaPalma @ Sep 30 2006, 05:10 PM)Hmm......   Sep 30 2006, 06:14 PM
|- - LaPalma   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 30 2006, 05:14 P...   Sep 30 2006, 06:54 PM
- - KillerMax   QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 30 2006, 04:39 AM)Just b...   Sep 30 2006, 06:58 PM
- - dst   Suggesting he has bad luck is a fact ???? If y...   Sep 30 2006, 07:32 PM
|- - KillerMax   QUOTE (dst @ Sep 30 2006, 12:32 PM)Suggesting...   Sep 30 2006, 11:19 PM
- - I_Rossoneri   Lest we forget that sh*tchenko had a bad third(I t...   Sep 30 2006, 10:30 PM
- - han2503   QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Sep 30 2006, 05:58 PM)No,...   Oct 1 2006, 08:00 AM
- - X-Offender   I like him, and I do have faith in him. All he nee...   Oct 1 2006, 01:40 PM
|- - Kaka Is Brilliant   Yeah, that's it guys turn against your own pla...   Oct 1 2006, 03:41 PM
|- - KillerMax   QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Oct 1 2006, 08:41 ...   Oct 1 2006, 04:18 PM
|- - Kaka Is Brilliant   QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Oct 1 2006, 03:18 PM)Nobo...   Oct 1 2006, 05:51 PM
|- - KillerMax   QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Oct 1 2006, 10:51 ...   Oct 1 2006, 06:03 PM
|- - Kaka Is Brilliant   QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Oct 1 2006, 05:03 PM)That...   Oct 3 2006, 06:59 PM
- - dst   This is obviously a discussion thread ... I for on...   Oct 1 2006, 06:42 PM
|- - KillerMax   QUOTE (dst @ Oct 1 2006, 11:42 AM)This is obv...   Oct 1 2006, 07:12 PM
- - han2503   Great post Milangilafan, completely and utterly ri...   Oct 1 2006, 08:16 PM
- - Rossoneri7   Milangilafan Respect .. I'm glade thatyou are ...   Oct 2 2006, 12:09 AM
- - han2503   QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 1 2006, 11:09 PM)Mila...   Oct 2 2006, 11:44 AM
- - Rossoneri7   @ han .. No we cant compare them But Pippo is ...   Oct 2 2006, 12:31 PM
- - han2503   QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 2 2006, 11:31 AM)@ ha...   Oct 2 2006, 01:32 PM
|- - Rossoneri7   QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 2 2006, 03:32 PM)As long...   Oct 2 2006, 02:02 PM
- - Jack Sparrow   Well Cryuff has praised Pippo, and we all know abo...   Oct 2 2006, 07:26 PM
- - dst   QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 2 2006, 04:02 PM)We...   Oct 2 2006, 07:45 PM
|- - Rossoneri7   QUOTE (dst @ Oct 2 2006, 09:45 PM)Why is it a...   Oct 3 2006, 02:52 AM
- - Jack Sparrow   QUOTE Why is it always mid-season ?? you've po...   Oct 2 2006, 07:51 PM
|- - LaPalma   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 2 2006, 07:51 PM)Si...   Oct 2 2006, 08:25 PM
|- - arivanjj   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 3 2006, 04:51 AM)Si...   Oct 3 2006, 02:59 AM
- - dst   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 2 2006, 09:51 PM)Si...   Oct 2 2006, 08:43 PM
- - Jack Sparrow   @dst:You wanted to know what would happen mid-seas...   Oct 3 2006, 05:58 PM
- - dst   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 3 2006, 07:58 PM)@d...   Oct 3 2006, 11:48 PM
|- - KillerMax   QUOTE (dst @ Oct 3 2006, 04:48 PM)man ... thi...   Oct 4 2006, 01:30 AM
- - dst   QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Oct 4 2006, 03:30 AM)Phil...   Oct 4 2006, 01:33 AM
|- - KillerMax   QUOTE (dst @ Oct 3 2006, 06:33 PM)Nah ... Kol...   Oct 4 2006, 03:46 AM
- - dst   QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Oct 4 2006, 05:46 AM)Take...   Oct 4 2006, 12:29 PM
|- - KillerMax   QUOTE (dst @ Oct 4 2006, 05:29 AM)that's ...   Oct 4 2006, 03:53 PM
- - dst   QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Oct 4 2006, 05:53 PM)No...   Oct 4 2006, 03:55 PM
- - KillerMax   Well, at the end of this season, we will know exac...   Sep 5 2007, 12:09 AM
|- - Rossoneri7   QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Sep 5 2007, 02:09 AM)Well...   Sep 5 2007, 12:11 AM
- - Jack Sparrow   ...And now you found it...nice work Sherlock!...   Sep 5 2007, 04:49 AM
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