[han2503]

All discussion involving other European leagues here

Just to get things rolling, Pogba will apparently have to sit out Man U's first game due to yellow card accumulation in the Coppa Italia (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[X-Offender]

Everyone and their grandmas know the French league is a joke. Just ask yourself: when was the last time a French club won a European competition? For all of the 00s it was dominated by Lyon who made zero impact in Europe, then PSG came with the big bucks and established a new hegemony yet I don't think they've ever passed the quarter-finals. In-between you have the varios Marseille, Auxerre, Lille, Monaco etc. would have one good season in a decade.

To compare it to Spain, England, Italy and even Germany is ridiculous. Second-rate league indeed.

[Fillipo Simone]

Everyone and their grandmas know the French league is a joke. Just ask yourself: when was the last time a French club won a European competition? For all of the 00s it was dominated by Lyon who made zero impact in Europe, then PSG came with the big bucks and established a new hegemony yet I don't think they've ever passed the quarter-finals. In-between you have the varios Marseille, Auxerre, Lille, Monaco etc. would have one good season in a decade.

To compare it to Spain, England, Italy and even Germany is ridiculous. Second-rate league indeed.

Firstly, we're not in the 00's anymore. Now the league is much more talented/talent-filled and competitive.

Secondly, take Germany. Just take out Lyon and insert Bayern. By the same arrogant logic you can say that the various Dortmund, Leverkusen, Wolfsburg, etc. teams are "in-betweeners". Because really, what's all that fuss about Dortmund? Before Klopp they were a bankrupt club that managed to do what? One title in a decade. But yeah, they won the CL in the 90s, right? Few years after...Marseille.

I don't get the dismissive logic applied here.

[X-Offender]

Firstly, we're not in the 00's anymore. Now the league is much more talented/talent-filled and competitive.

Secondly, take Germany. Just take out Lyon and insert Bayern. By the same arrogant logic you can say that the various Dortmund, Leverkusen, Wolfsburg, etc. teams are "in-betweeners". Because really, what's all that fuss about Dortmund? Before Klopp they were a bankrupt club that managed to do what? One title in a decade. But yeah, they won the CL in the 90s, right? Few years after...Marseille.

I don't get the dismissive logic applied here.

You failed to answer my question. Whether we're in the 00s or 10s matters little when the success of French clubs in Europe is almost non-existent. And it's not fair to compare the French league to the German one if you want to prove that it's not a second rate league. Compare it to England, Spain and Italy. Italy had 3 different clubs reach the final in the last 10 years, winning it twice. Engalnd and Spain likewise. This is what entails being a top league.

And even if you wanna use the Germam league as a comparison, Bayern reaches the semi-finals on a regular basis and has managed to win, Dortmund reached a final as well. This only in the last 5 years. Can we say the same about PSG and Monaco? Me thinks not.