[Fillipo Simone]

So, anyone attending?

[X-Offender]

I was searched twice in Marseille. Security was very tight. How the hell did these people manage to hide all those smoke bombs?

Anyhow, if UEFA kick Croatia out it would be unfair. By that logic, England and Russia should be out as well considering all the chaos and destruction their fans are creating.

[kurtsimonw]

I was searched twice in Marseille. Security was very tight. How the hell did these people manage to hide all those smoke bombs?

Anyhow, if UEFA kick Croatia out it would be unfair. By that logic, England and Russia should be out as well considering all the chaos and destruction their fans are creating.

UEFA only have jurisdiction for stuff happening inside the stadium. Russia were given a suspended ban because they were the ones causing trouble/using flares, not us. I do not condone any violence by any English supporters, but I will also say a lot of it is reactive.

We have some dumb fans, there is no doubting that, these fans will be looking for any reason to cause trouble and fortunately a few of them have been arrested. But there's also an issue with our own media trying to paint a bad picture of our fans because it looks better. What was reported on the first weekend? England fans chanting at police after they had just had tear gas used on them or German and Ukraine fans, fighting and being arrested, with German fans waving Nazi supporting flags? Of course it's whatever makes the English fans look bad. But when you have French police tear gassing English fans for no reason other than we're in a large group singing and chanting, local ultras attacking British while they're sitting down trying to eat or Russians who've admitted training for years just to fight English fans, it's no wonder some of our fans get more than a little pissed off. Our fans have had no protection at all and have been attacked repeatedly. There's also the fact that throwing flares that explode on to the field of play is extremely dangerous, had the steward gone to pick it up just one second earlier, his hand would've been blown off.

The French policing is a disgrace. They are absolutely not fit to host a major tournament.

As for football as a whole, it's a mess. Our next 2 World Cups are in a country where MPs are supporting their fans causing trouble, where there's a strong racist element and people have been training to fight fans. The other is in a country where thousands of people have died as a result of slave labour and awful health and safety.

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Jun 18 2016, 12:17 PM

[X-Offender]

UEFA only have jurisdiction for stuff happening inside the stadium. Russia were given a suspended ban because they were the ones causing trouble/using flares, not us. I do not condone any violence by any English supporters, but I will also say a lot of it is reactive.

We have some dumb fans, there is no doubting that, these fans will be looking for any reason to cause trouble and fortunately a few of them have been arrested. But there's also an issue with our own media trying to paint a bad picture of our fans because it looks better. What was reported on the first weekend? England fans chanting at police after they had just had tear gas used on them or German and Ukraine fans, fighting and being arrested, with German fans waving Nazi supporting flags? Of course it's whatever makes the English fans look bad. But when you have French police tear gassing English fans for no reason other than we're in a large group singing and chanting, local ultras attacking British while they're sitting down trying to eat or Russians who've admitted training for years just to fight English fans, it's no wonder some of our fans get more than a little pissed off. Our fans have had no protection at all and have been attacked repeatedly. There's also the fact that throwing flares that explode on to the field of play is extremely dangerous, had the steward gone to pick it up just one second earlier, his hand would've been blown off.

The French policing is a disgrace. They are absolutely not fit to host a major tournament.

As for football as a whole, it's a mess. Our next 2 World Cups are in a country where MPs are supporting their fans causing trouble, where there's a strong racist element and people have been training to fight fans. The other is in a country where thousands of people have died as a result of slave labour and awful health and safety.

Then it's UEFA and the French police's fault for failing to thoroughly check the supporters before entering the stadium. Why on earth should the Croatian players endure the consequences of their incompetence? Especially since a lot of people seem to be aware of the real reason why those Croatian "fans" acted like that.

Let Croatia finish the tournament, and ban all those idiots from France. End of story.

[kurtsimonw]

Then it's UEFA and the French police's fault for failing to thoroughly check the supporters before entering the stadium. Why on earth should the Croatian players endure the consequences of their incompetence? Especially since a lot of people seem to be aware of the real reason why those Croatian "fans" acted like that.

Let Croatia finish the tournament, and ban all those idiots from France. End of story.

They were fighting AND throwing flares on to the pitch. Whatever the reason, you can't allow it. Russia got a suspended ban for fighting, but this is worse, you have to go further. Whether it's a points deduction or kicking them out, who knows.

Serbia were given a points deduction, despite the fact that you had a drone which really incited the violence. For Croatia, there was no provocation. If anything, I'd argue the reason for it happening is more of a reason to kick them out. Because what is stopping them doing it again? With Russia the reason was that they admitted they were only attacking England fans, so their next game - not against England - meant that there was no trouble. For Croatia, what reason is there for them not to do this again?