[han2503]

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Role: Forward

Jersey: #22

Birth date: 23/07/1987

Birth place: Velletri (Roma)

Height: 180 cm

Weight: 78 kg

[han2503]

Indeed, but the mathematics you're working with aren't making sense. Are you seriously attributing 11th to third to SES? Despite the fact he scored no goals. His 10 points-contributing goals got us to 11th. August to November. Around four months. Roughly 16 potential matches. 16x3=48 points. He managed to help us to 10 of them. Are you truly claiming that as evidence of his brilliance. Is that proof he 'carried us'? Or is it more realistic that he peaked during this period, looked promising, then faded absolutely revoltingly from December onwards as the team finally sparked into life, mostly carried it has to be said by Balo?

I think you're taking my "he got us into the CL spots" phrasing too literally. I never said that other players didn't contribute, even when I say Ibra won us the Scudetto in 10/11, I'm not saying that the other players had nothing to do with it, or when I say Kaka won us the CL in 2007, I'm not saying the others didn't make crucial contributions as well. But there are certain players that are crucial to your season and how it ends up going, for me, SES was that during that season, especially his goals against Napoli for example which really was the game that kick started the season for the rest of the players.

Also, you're completely discrediting his contributions after December that weren't goals, he still provided important assists, off the top of my head like the one vs Udinese to Balo. And his incredible work rate on the left wing which actually made Constant look like a decent FB.

We do seem to be arguing a lot.

Probably the summer heat, well for me at least.

Feck sake. I am NOT comparing SES to ANYONE! I am saying if he WASN'T SES you wouldn't have cut him this slack. THAT IS ALL!

His identity simply has nothing to do with this. I don't get what's the point of this argument here.

In certain players you see that something special and I do in SES and did with Pato back in the day as well for example, in others it's clearly not there and not only are they very limited they become liabilities to the team, which is what Bonera and Muntari were, which is why I never afforded them the same slack.

Failed then, didn't he.

Once again, I think you're being too hard on someone who's barely had the time to really show us what he can do.

I see nothing he can bring to the team.

That's why I think it's important that he's sent out on loan. He won't get the time with us and loaning him would mean him getting that time in Serie A and us being able to see whether he can truly cut it or not

You can't run a season with just four attackers, especially if you play three at any given time. What do you put on the bench? Niang is still slightly green, he's getting there, but he is certainly a very useful piece of squad depth. And what happens with injuries and suspensions. Oh no, we loaned Niang out, let's play ... who the hell do we have left? That's why you hold onto guys like him.

We're not going to be playing 3 of the 4. It's 4 strikers for 2 positions. And imo that is enough when you're only playing one major competition.

Mihajlovic already said that the AM spot will be for Honda, Bonaventura, Suso and Menez in certain situations. So it will be Ibra (if he comes) and Bacca/Adriano upfront with Honda or Bonaventura behind them most of the time

If Niang stays he'll be wasting a lot of time on the bench which imo is counterproductive to him continuing to develop. His time at Genoa really helped a lot, getting a full season there would be great for him

Not true. Pippo never started anyone based on form. It's why so much rotation ruined our season.

True, but I guess given the fact that it was he who wanted Cerci so much he would have been far more inclined to give him that extra chance. But let's face it, Cerci didn't do any favour for himself with the way he played since he's been with us

He was also an absolutely horrendous coach, the worst in our history. I refuse to use his judgement or selections as an indication of anything.

True as well...

But no, there's a weird fixation between you two that you wish to attribute us making the UCL down to one man. He contributed towards us getting towards the UCL, but so did De Jong, Balo, and critically Mexes' whose goal actually got us there.

In conclusion: let him go. Let it go. Let the guy enjoy life in France and can we just move the heck on from arguing about him (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I don't think you get where I'm coming from with me defence of SES. I think selling him was the right thing to do at this point, I'm not sad or angry that he's gone, I wish him well and all that jazz. I'm not and never have been a fanboy. But as I said above, I just saw that something in him that made me believe that he will make it in the future, he just needed to overcome all these fitness issues he's been having (probably was never going to happen had he stayed at Milan anyway).

I just don't agree with the way you constantly put him down especially for things that were very much out of his control, and didn't come about because he was slacking off and partying every night

Of course he's not 100% responsible for getting us CL football that year. Its a team sport with 11 men on the field. However he was one of the most important players for us that season along side Balo and De Jong. It isn't a weird fixation and I'm not attributing the entire accomplishment to his performance. I'm simply pointing out what you seem hellbent on denying. You're the one who keeps making the ridiculous claim that he was a failure. I'm just fine with his departure. I wish we would have gotten more money for him but I think he has more than adequately been replaced by Bacca and Adriano. I wish him the best and as an Azzuri fan I hope he finds his footing in Monaco.

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