[Fillipo Simone]

MoM goes to Rami IMO. Very good showing, if this wasn't just a happy coincidence, we should think of combining him and Abate as our main fullbacks. IMO Mexes and MDS were good as well, Lopez especially. Zapata made a slightly less convincing appearance.

Flop was between Muntari and SES for obvious reasons. Han compared Stephans miss with Icardi's, but it wasn't quite the same. Still, my pick is Muntari.

[han2503]

Won't lie, I ain't sure I remember that one. Can't find any references to it. The only one I can remember was PSG for £10M.

This was an offer CSKA made, before he switched over to Raiola, his previous agent also said that the move was close to being completed but fell through

Meh. I prefer a smaller sample of people whose views can be taken reasonably seriously, rather than a million trolls saying cr*p like sh*tlegri.

Even if they are trolls, you can easily see who they value as players and who they don't. I'm not someone who frequents those forums either, just to be clear, but I do look into it from time to time to see what the general feel on X, Y or Z is

Not the finished product? He's 22 and by his age, and I hate to use this example, Balo knew what he was. Zlatan knew who/what he was. The great players know by very early 20s the kind of player they are and what they are. Iturbe is barely 21 and has excelled at Roma since he joined. He was great at HV and I made a huge mistake not wanting him. They've been careful not to overuse him but he's been excellent.

So don't use the age excuse which you're implying at by saying he's not the finished product. It's a cop out and you know it.

Zlatan at 22 was not the finished product, what do you mean he knew what he was? As in he knew he was a striker? Balo at 22 wasn't the finished product and he certainly isn't a finished product now. Heck, Cristiano wasn't a finished product by that age. Very few players reach that level at such a young age (ex: Messi, original Ronaldo)

If you're talking about the fact that SES is played as a winger, that's not really his fault, he hasn't had any proper coaching since he cam to Milan, the only stable coaching figure he had was Allegri. For me, he's not a winger, he's a striker, but the fact that he hasn't been allowed to even try playing in that position isn't his fault.

Not for me. I rate both on what I believe I see per match. If Mexes plays what I believe is a good match I say so. If Muntari stinks I say so. You don't seem able to criticise Mexes or praise Muntari.

Name one game where Muntari was actually good and you could say with a straight face "great performance"

And Mexes has only played twice so far this season and both times you were sure he'd be diabolical, yet he wasn't. He was good vs Samp and was one of our best players against Inter.

No, I gave up on him by the end of 2012/2013. He was mince between that November and the following summer and that was enough of a flat patch to warrant skepticism. That we're sitting here November 2014 and he's still sh*t suggests he is never going to be the player you really want him to be.

Why shouldn't we get on his back? 24 months of poor displays and you expect him to be given room? Not a chance. If he shows up and plays a stormer my God I'll give him credit. But I am not going to sit here giving him chances after chances after yet more failures.

This all goes back to the points I made above with regards to his age or his "identity" as a player.