[Danny]

We discover who the true Rossoneri among our fans and members are.

We're in for a long, hard season and I'd suggest anyone who quits (or disappears from this forum) based on it probably wasn't much of a fan in the first place.

There are many members who disappeared for one reason or another, but I'd argue the main regulars now are the board's established population. Anyone not here in January of that lot for Milan reasons are the chafe, IMO.

I myself have taken time out from the place a couple of times but not for football reasons.

If Milan get relegated this season, I'll still be here.

Will you?

[kurtsimonw]

There's one member who I won't name, he added me on MSN years back. It's quite blatant he was only here for the glory. As we got worse, his posting became less and less and even started to align himself with a new successful team. Now he doesn't post at all. It's quite sad how people want to be seen to support the top teams, do they think it makes them better or something?

[han2503]

There's one member who I won't name, he added me on MSN years back. It's quite blatant he was only here for the glory. As we got worse, his posting became less and less and even started to align himself with a new successful team. Now he doesn't post at all. It's quite sad how people want to be seen to support the top teams, do they think it makes them better or something?

Now you've got me ridiculously curious!!!

@ Danny, Milan is my only team and I can't really make a comparison to another team I support that's going through an even rougher time, so Rangers gives you that added perspective that I, for example, do not have. Watching Milan under Allegri, playing the long ball to Ibra/Balo and wasting time at the 60th minute against Palermo or whatever because we're scraping a game was just unbearable for me, it was never fitting of Milan, even at this low we're currently experiencing, we shouldn't be reducing ourselves to that on the pitch

[Danny]

Now you've got me ridiculously curious!!!

@ Danny, Milan is my only team and I can't really make a comparison to another team I support that's going through an even rougher time, so Rangers gives you that added perspective that I, for example, do not have.

Our manager, Ally McCoist, insists on playing washed-up 36-year old striker Lee McCulloch in defence. btw, he can't defend to save his life. He makes Zaccardo on a bad day look like Maldini giving the performance of his life. This is the kind of garbage we Bears have to put up with - DESPITE the fact we have about 5 proper dedicated central defenders. Half of them get bench so Ally's chum Lee gets played in defence. Hopeless. Basically like Allegri insisting that 39 year old Pippo must play, so played him in defence. Yes. That bad.

Watching Milan under Allegri, playing the long ball to Ibra/Balo and wasting time at the 60th minute against Palermo or whatever because we're scraping a game was just unbearable for me, it was never fitting of Milan, even at this low we're currently experiencing, we shouldn't be reducing ourselves to that on the pitch

But...you say that, yet one of the great strengths which made Italian teams so imperious in the late 80s to early noughties was the ability to shut up shop and waste time on a one goal lead. Within the spirit of the game, of course, and it was done so cleverly but it's absolutely nothing new and Carlo did it just as much.

It's just his squad was stronger and underachieved for its weight, so a lesser Milan like Allegri's (albeit both managers won the same number of Scudettos with us ffs!) would be more noticeable because fans were getting more critical.

[han2503]

Our manager, Ally McCoist, insists on playing washed-up 36-year old striker Lee McCulloch in defence. btw, he can't defend to save his life. He makes Zaccardo on a bad day look like Maldini giving the performance of his life. This is the kind of garbage we Bears have to put up with - DESPITE the fact we have about 5 proper dedicated central defenders. Half of them get bench so Ally's chum Lee gets played in defence. Hopeless. Basically like Allegri insisting that 39 year old Pippo must play, so played him in defence. Yes. That bad.

Ouch!! That's bad!!

So you do have a LOT of perspective in comparison to someone like me who only has past Milan sides to compare this one to.

But...you say that, yet one of the great strengths which made Italian teams so imperious in the late 80s to early noughties was the ability to shut up shop and waste time on a one goal lead. Within the spirit of the game, of course, and it was done so cleverly but it's absolutely nothing new and Carlo did it just as much.

It's just his squad was stronger and underachieved for its weight, so a lesser Milan like Allegri's (albeit both managers won the same number of Scudettos with us ffs!) would be more noticeable because fans were getting more critical.

Shutting up shop and tactical fouls were the inventions of Italian football, I agree. But wasting time at the 60th minute and then end up drawing/losing the game (which happened often) is not something that any top Italian side ever did. Which is why everyone was highly critical of Allegri and how he was turning us into Cagliari 2.0, because that's the behaviour of a bottom level side, not Milan.

[Danny]

Ouch!! That's bad!!

So you do have a LOT of perspective in comparison to someone like me who only has past Milan sides to compare this one to.

It would seem so. I've seen the great Rangers of 87-98 which won 9IAR and got to the effective semi final of the inaugural CL. And the final of Uefa Cup in 2008.

And now I watch them struggle against American college graduates. Or lose hopelessly to Derby. Starting again in the bottom tier of Scottish football. Which is pretty much as low as it gets!

Shutting up shop and tactical fouls were the inventions of Italian football, I agree. But wasting time at the 60th minute and then end up drawing/losing the game (which happened often) is not something that any top Italian side ever did. Which is why everyone was highly critical of Allegri and how he was turning us into Cagliari 2.0, because that's the behaviour of a bottom level side, not Milan.

True, there's a difference between doing it successfully and not. But as I suggest, Allegri's Milan was 1st, second and third. Seegri's was 8th. I'd kill to be in the CL spots again, and I'd argue Allegri's Milan's deterioration was as much to do with losing his whole team in 2012.

But...this is an argument we'll never agree on.