[Fillipo Simone]

Okay, usually we have much trouble against Palermo. This time both ours and their team look more or less horrible. We'll see what happens.

[han2503]

I've seen him at Ajax, and you haven't clearly, else you wouldn't come with statements him being not a runner, and not being someone who can think forward. I just searched quickly for a vid to add, after I typed my post.

But nevermind, just stick with your truth.

Like Filippo said, playing in the Dutch league is different to playing in the EPL and Serie A.

And I think your definition of a runner is different to mine. For me a runner is someone in the mold of Gattuso (when talking about DMs) De Jong is very clearly an anchor man who takes up positions rather than running around chasing the ball. It's the same thing with Ambro.

It's not about truth, but don't tell me that DJ is a forward thinking player or that with him and Ambro it's enough to provide the forward pass to Monto or that they can keep the ball moving for us, because that's certainly not true, neither of them is capable of it.

Well, there's not really much foundation for being optimistic. Historically speaking, we're not strong against them, and since this year we really play badly...well...not much room for expectations.


Playing for Ajax in Holland is one thing, and for Milan in Serie A a completely different thing. He's a runner, yes, but he's not doing it like Kaka or Pato - not maximizing his running-pass-shoot options like a true attacking minded intelligent player would do.

Can he think forward for sure? I don't think so. Again, it's different at Ajax, where you basically have an integrated system for ages.

There are different types of runners. Runners in terms of box-to-box players, attackings mids who are more about the pace and making runs like you pointed out with Kaka instead of attacking mids in the Totti mold. Just like there are different types of DMs, a DM can be like Rino was or like De Jong, VB, Ambro etc. None of those 3 are runners by anystretch of the imagination

[CHU-LIP]

Like Filippo said, playing in the Dutch league is different to playing in the EPL and Serie A.

And I think your definition of a runner is different to mine. For me a runner is someone in the mold of Gattuso (when talking about DMs) De Jong is very clearly an anchor man who takes up positions rather than running around chasing the ball. It's the same thing with Ambro.

It's not about truth, but don't tell me that DJ is a forward thinking player or that with him and Ambro it's enough to provide the forward pass to Monto or that they can keep the ball moving for us, because that's certainly not true, neither of them is capable of it.

De Jong is much more like Gattuso than he is as Ambrosini when it comes to his way of defending (while attacking and technical wise both Ambrosini and De Jong are clearly ahead of Gattuso). And whatever league you play in, the video showed he can run and go forward, so he is capable of doing that, whereever you are. At Ajax he had such role to do so. Big clubs he was turned in a true DM, leaving no space for running forward. If we field him next to Ambrosini, he can move all over the pitch. At Milan he showed the chasing stuff too. That is really his best attribute...

Alright, once he left Ajax he often has played an Ambrosini similar role, but I like him more with a Gattuso role.

This post has been edited by CHU-LIP: Oct 30 2012, 05:08 PM