> Coppa Italia - Semi Finals 1st Leg - Milan - Juventus, Date: 08/02/12 Time: 20:45 CET

 
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post Feb 6 2012, 01:55 PM
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Couldn't have come at a worse time, but that's just our luck this season.

Wtih the suspensions Allegri will not be tempted to rest either Ibra or VB. However, Seedorf and Robinho need to be given a rest imo. Both ar playing badly atm, and some time to regroup would do them a world of good.
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post Feb 9 2012, 01:27 PM
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Now, now, let's see what's to say...

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I don't think we'd be any different now if we had Pirlo.

This left me speechless. Don't you understand that we have a creative problem? Don't you get that Pirlo, even an off-form Pirlo is miles away from players who do the creating job for us, especially Emanuleson and Boateng? No, I refuse to agree that Pirlo hasn't been good for the past three years: last year he had serious injuries and Allegri clearly didn't provide any motivation to sign a new deal and get mentally stronger. Isn't it hard to watch him bring the opposition from spot 8 to spot 1? Don't you regret it when you see him play that good with Juventus? I sure do.

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How should he react, though? what is it he should be doing that he's not? we have a first team out injured, his hands are tied. the fact that Ambro gets to play in these games says it all really...

I've said it a million times: more preparation, more tactical thinking. Allegri mostly just pushes a player to a fixed spot and then expects for example Emanuelson to do a Boateng. Ancelotti was the master of preparation; in many ways he was wrong or too stubborn, but he knew how to think, how to set a trap and tactical maneuver. Allegri...no. With him it's almost the same, Ambrosini or Nocerino, Boateng or Emanuelson, the initial idea remains while things look different only because of the individual differences. He has zero ability to surprise a oppositions coach. Like Acid said, the read him like a book - from the small things like the fetish with making (too) late subs to bigger tactical things.
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 9 2012, 04:57 PM) *
This left me speechless. Don't you understand that we have a creative problem? Don't you get that Pirlo, even an off-form Pirlo is miles away from players who do the creating job for us, especially Emanuleson and Boateng? No, I refuse to agree that Pirlo hasn't been good for the past three years: last year he had serious injuries and Allegri clearly didn't provide any motivation to sign a new deal and get mentally stronger. Isn't it hard to watch him bring the opposition from spot 8 to spot 1? Don't you regret it when you see him play that good with Juventus? I sure do.

Didn't read my last post, did you? I blamed the management for their failure to bring a new AM/creative force to replace Pirlo, so yes, I do understand we have a creative problem. nice try patronizing me, though.

As Danny pointed out and I agreed with it, something wasn't working between us and Pirlo on a technical level. once upon a time he was arguably one of the very best midfielders in the world and we all took pride in that. but after the Athens final the only way he seemed to go was downhill. Carlo couldn't revive him. Leonardo couldn't revive him. what makes you think Allegri could when you don't even rate him in any way? leaving Milan for a new challenge was the best solution for Pirlo and I'm happy he's found some of his old form back (I'm taking your word for it, haven't watched more than 1 or 2 Juve games this season).
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- han2503   Coppa Italia - Semi Finals 1st Leg - Milan - Juventus   Feb 6 2012, 01:55 PM
- - il_diavolo_mtl   QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 6 2012, 07:55 AM) Co...   Feb 6 2012, 02:09 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Feb 6 2012, 02:09...   Feb 6 2012, 05:21 PM
- - Brian Birkin   I wish to see El Shaarawy play alot. Of course, yo...   Feb 6 2012, 06:51 PM
- - Jack Bauer   Nocerino won't play in this game, he's sus...   Feb 6 2012, 07:23 PM
- - han2503   Forgot about the Nocerino yellow. That will be a ...   Feb 6 2012, 08:04 PM
|- - Fillipo Simone   QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 6 2012, 08:04 PM) Fo...   Feb 8 2012, 04:34 PM
- - Jack Bauer   RE: Coppa Italia - Semi Finals 1st Leg - Milan - Juventus   Feb 8 2012, 12:14 AM
- - Jack Bauer   Amelia, Bonera, Mexes, Silva, Antonini, Emanuelson...   Feb 8 2012, 08:07 PM
- - William405   Why not Seedorf as playmaker(his best position imo...   Feb 8 2012, 08:22 PM
|- - Jack Bauer   QUOTE (William405 @ Feb 8 2012, 10:22 PM)...   Feb 8 2012, 08:27 PM
|- - William405   QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Feb 8 2012, 09:27 PM)...   Feb 8 2012, 08:53 PM
- - han2503   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 8 2012, 04:34...   Feb 8 2012, 08:32 PM
- - vnata001   lineup: barring some individual brilliance fr...   Feb 8 2012, 08:53 PM
- - han2503   Juve pressing the sh!t out of us and our playe...   Feb 8 2012, 09:04 PM
- - han2503   I'd personally take a 0-0 here if that means b...   Feb 8 2012, 09:10 PM
- - vnata001   the team has been set up to play for the draw.   Feb 8 2012, 09:18 PM
- - han2503   We played second fiddle to Juve all half. I'd ...   Feb 8 2012, 09:39 PM
|- - Fillipo Simone   QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 8 2012, 09:39 PM) We...   Feb 8 2012, 09:47 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 8 2012, 09:47...   Feb 8 2012, 09:54 PM
- - han2503   Juve score. How predictable there   Feb 8 2012, 10:01 PM
|- - vnata001   QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 8 2012, 01:01 PM) Ju...   Feb 8 2012, 10:06 PM
- - Zed.D   Is it a one-legged tie?   Feb 8 2012, 10:07 PM
- - han2503   The is where we usually get our kiss of death. We ...   Feb 8 2012, 10:09 PM
- - han2503   The is where we usually get our kiss of death. We ...   Feb 8 2012, 10:09 PM
- - han2503   EL SHAARAWYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY   Feb 8 2012, 10:10 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   Ambro makes the perfect assist   Feb 8 2012, 10:10 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 8 2012, 10:10...   Feb 8 2012, 10:14 PM
|- - William405   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 8 2012, 11:10...   Feb 8 2012, 10:14 PM
- - han2503   Seedorf finally does something right. And no surpr...   Feb 8 2012, 10:11 PM
|- - vnata001   QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 8 2012, 01:11 PM) Se...   Feb 8 2012, 10:16 PM
|- - William405   QUOTE (vnata001 @ Feb 8 2012, 11:16 PM) p...   Feb 8 2012, 10:18 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (William405 @ Feb 8 2012, 10:18 PM)...   Feb 8 2012, 10:19 PM
- - William405   **** YEAH,how was the goal?! And what changes ...   Feb 8 2012, 10:14 PM
- - han2503   btw, I'm still shell shocked that Antonini act...   Feb 8 2012, 10:14 PM
- - han2503   HOW THE F%$^ can he rule that out. No handbal...   Feb 8 2012, 10:17 PM
- - han2503   We've seriously re-emerged this half with some...   Feb 8 2012, 10:20 PM
- - vnata001   nice passage of play there from ambrosini! fi...   Feb 8 2012, 10:22 PM
- - William405   Seems like we're going for it Forza Milan!   Feb 8 2012, 10:22 PM
- - han2503   Robinho might be terrible in front of goal, but he...   Feb 8 2012, 10:23 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   In the last 10 minutes we gave up 6 unnecessary ba...   Feb 8 2012, 10:24 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 8 2012, 10:24...   Feb 8 2012, 10:26 PM
- - Zed.D   FOR GOD'S SAKE WILL SOMEONE ANSWER MY QUESTION...   Feb 8 2012, 10:26 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (Zed.D @ Feb 8 2012, 10:26 PM) FOR ...   Feb 8 2012, 10:26 PM
|- - William405   QUOTE (Zed.D @ Feb 8 2012, 11:26 PM) FOR ...   Feb 8 2012, 10:28 PM
|- - Zed.D   QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 9 2012, 01:56 AM) Th...   Feb 8 2012, 10:32 PM
- - vnata001   Two away goals conceded! It's not Allegri,...   Feb 8 2012, 10:31 PM
|- - William405   QUOTE (vnata001 @ Feb 8 2012, 11:31 PM) T...   Feb 8 2012, 10:53 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (William405 @ Feb 8 2012, 10:53 PM)...   Feb 8 2012, 10:58 PM
|- - acid911   QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 9 2012, 02:58 AM) vn...   Feb 8 2012, 11:08 PM
|- - vnata001   QUOTE (acid911 @ Feb 8 2012, 02:08 PM) A ...   Feb 9 2012, 12:24 AM
|- - acid911   QUOTE (vnata001 @ Feb 9 2012, 04:24 AM) u...   Feb 9 2012, 10:34 AM
- - han2503   Goal Juve. Kiss of death for us   Feb 8 2012, 10:31 PM
- - han2503   Lol, Ambro should have just worn the Juve shirt an...   Feb 8 2012, 10:32 PM
- - han2503   LOOOL He takes of VB... And leaves Ambro on.....   Feb 8 2012, 10:33 PM
|- - vnata001   QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 8 2012, 01:33 PM) LO...   Feb 8 2012, 10:35 PM
- - William405   Dang.We're playing home right?   Feb 8 2012, 10:34 PM
- - han2503   We're playing so high up the pitch, no wonder ...   Feb 8 2012, 10:35 PM
- - han2503   I still want to cry when I remember that we let Pi...   Feb 8 2012, 10:37 PM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 8 2012, 09:37 PM) I ...   Feb 9 2012, 12:23 AM
|- - Zed.D   QUOTE (Danny @ Feb 9 2012, 02:53 AM) 1: P...   Feb 9 2012, 10:11 AM
- - han2503   Huge gaps in the center of our defence, Thiago and...   Feb 8 2012, 10:41 PM
- - William405   So my Tv decides to work when the match is over,ju...   Feb 8 2012, 10:44 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   Way to go! Another defeat in a big match...wha...   Feb 8 2012, 11:45 PM
- - drucurl   Didn't see the game (hopping three states toda...   Feb 9 2012, 05:12 AM
- - Brian Birkin   I think the biggest problem is the way we play. Wh...   Feb 9 2012, 09:30 AM
|- - kurtsimonw   QUOTE (Brian Birkin @ Feb 9 2012, 08:30 A...   Feb 9 2012, 10:05 AM
||- - Brian Birkin   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 9 2012, 10:05 AM)...   Feb 9 2012, 05:14 PM
|- - Rossoneri7   QUOTE (Brian Birkin @ Feb 9 2012, 11:30 A...   Feb 9 2012, 10:42 AM
- - d'Arc.LP   The most important thing is we drop the small team...   Feb 9 2012, 10:34 AM
- - Jack Sparrow   I don't think Ibra is essentially the problem ...   Feb 9 2012, 10:36 AM
|- - d'Arc.LP   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 9 2012, 10:36 A...   Feb 9 2012, 11:00 AM
|- - acid911   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 9 2012, 02:36 P...   Feb 9 2012, 11:03 AM
- - Zed.D   How should he react, though? what is it he should ...   Feb 9 2012, 11:33 AM
|- - acid911   QUOTE (Zed.D @ Feb 9 2012, 03:33 PM) How ...   Feb 9 2012, 12:26 PM
- - han2503   QUOTE (Danny @ Feb 9 2012, 12:23 AM) 1: P...   Feb 9 2012, 12:07 PM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 9 2012, 11:07 AM) Su...   Feb 9 2012, 01:16 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (Danny @ Feb 9 2012, 01:16 PM) Abso...   Feb 9 2012, 01:40 PM
||- - Zed.D   QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 9 2012, 04:10 PM) We...   Feb 9 2012, 02:12 PM
||- - han2503   QUOTE (Zed.D @ Feb 9 2012, 02:12 PM) Roma...   Feb 9 2012, 03:23 PM
||- - Zed.D   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 9 2012, 05:59...   Feb 9 2012, 07:52 PM
|- - kurtsimonw   QUOTE (Danny @ Feb 9 2012, 12:16 PM) Abso...   Feb 9 2012, 02:15 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 9 2012, 02:15 PM)...   Feb 9 2012, 03:29 PM
|- - acid911   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 9 2012, 05:27...   Feb 9 2012, 01:55 PM
|- - Fillipo Simone   QUOTE (Zed.D @ Feb 9 2012, 02:06 PM) Didn...   Feb 9 2012, 02:29 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   Naah, it's pointless to discuss it anymore. We...   Feb 9 2012, 03:28 PM
- - d'Arc.LP   MILAN - “The team needs to feel the fans’ supp...   Feb 9 2012, 03:52 PM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Feb 9 2012, 02:52 P...   Feb 9 2012, 05:57 PM
- - d'Arc.LP   RE: Coppa Italia - Semi Finals 1st Leg - Milan - Juventus   Feb 9 2012, 04:25 PM
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- - d'Arc.LP   This pic. shows that Juventus' second goal cam...   Feb 9 2012, 04:59 PM
- - d'Arc.LP   Ibra's "one-finger slap" to Storari:   Feb 9 2012, 08:19 PM
- - William405   They made quite a big deal out of that.   Feb 9 2012, 08:23 PM
- - han2503   QUOTE (Zed.D @ Feb 9 2012, 07:52 PM) You ...   Feb 9 2012, 08:33 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   QUOTE They made quite a big deal out of that. Noth...   Feb 9 2012, 08:39 PM
- - William405   QUOTE Conte exposes Milan deficiencies It doesn...   Feb 9 2012, 08:45 PM
- - Brian Birkin   Against Roma we fitted a strong performance. Excep...   Feb 10 2012, 01:29 AM
- - Fillipo Simone   Guys, you really think beating Roma is a dealbreak...   Feb 10 2012, 09:39 AM
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