[Danny]

http://ibroxnoise.blogspot.com/2011/12/whe...e-not-dive.html

I write a Rangers blog, but after the Boateng incident yesterday I decided to write about simulation in general.

[kurtsimonw]

It's difficult for referees at the time. I would like to see FAs give players long bans for diving though after they've checked video replays after the game.

[Rossoneri7]

Good blog Danny (IMG:style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

The incident of simulations has always been present with the sport, and as you highlighted in your blog, it is further examined with the help of technology. However, I believe the referee calls it with the split second that he has seen it and not with the help of replays and such. For that, I would suggest what Kurt asserted in the quote below. I think that is a remedy to reduce such incidents in the future.

It's difficult for referees at the time. I would like to see FAs give players long bans for diving though after they've checked video replays after the game.

I believe that is only fair, but in addition, I would recommend adding another official behind the goal line, ala the CL.

[Zed.D]

I believe that is only fair, but in addition, I would recommend adding another official behind the goal line, ala the CL.

I still haven't quite figured out what those fourth officials do there. they certainly do nothing in regards to penalties and corner/goal kicks. I think they're there just to make sure whether the balls has crossed the line on certain (albeit rare) occasions. so having them for dives is pointless anyway.

I think a 3-match ban would be enough for a dive after it's proved with video replays.

This post has been edited by Zed.D: Dec 19 2011, 12:39 PM

[acid911]

I think a 3-match ban would be enough for a dive after it's proved with video replays.

Yeah, I'd go with 5-match bans once it's proven. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) The deal is to prevent people from diving, not punishing them. A big, long punishment, or even a 5-match one will help with that. This will be in the players' mind and they will get up as soon as they can. When they can't, that's when they will stay down. Keep it positive, people!

[CHU-LIP]

Yeah, I'd go with 5-match bans once it's proven. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) The deal is to prevent people from diving, not punishing them. A big, long punishment, or even a 5-match one will help with that. This will be in the players' mind and they will get up as soon as they can. When they can't, that's when they will stay down. Keep it positive, people!

Keep it posivite? This is very negative.

You guys are going way over the top here. If there's one thing that should be prevented, it are tackles that can cause of long term injuries. And you know what? Often they get barely punished. And actually, preventing goes by punishing them, acid. Weird sentence you got there.

By the way, to most people it's obvious Boateng dived. A dive is possible even when there's contact. So my question to you is: would you be okay with Boateng getting banned for five straigt games now?

This post has been edited by CHU-LIP: Dec 19 2011, 01:01 PM

[acid911]

You guys are going way over the top here. If there's one thing that should be prevented, it are tackles that can cause of long term injuries. And you know what? Often they get barely punished. And actually, preventing goes by punishing them, acid. Weird sentence you got there.

Yes, because higher the punishment, the more people fear not doing the crime. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Punish a few people and hand them a few matches ban, and they'll think 90 times before doing it again. And for the record, anyone that goes in with those pathetic tackles (and two-foot challenges) should be out of the game for six months, and the club fined as well.

It's just a sports, not war, and well a player does not have any right to seriously injure anyone or break their leg, etc. What they do is basic stuff, yellow and red cards, and sometimes hard tackles earn a few matches ban. We need more strict policies. Just like drugs are not allowed in FIFA, and players/clubs are banned for years. Now we see few and few drug abuse and steroid cases.

But careful analysis is needed after the match, using video replays, and of course, you have to check the intent of the player at fault. If he couldn't help it (for example he was going in one direction, and another player hit him) or tried to slow down, then lesser penalties. And for proven criminals bigger ones. Like I said, the game should be played in a positive spirit and frame-of-mind - making it enjoyable for everyone.

By the way, to most people it's obvious Boateng dived. A dive is possible even when there's contact. So my question to you is: would you be okay with Boateng getting banned for five straigt games now?

If there was contact, it was not a dive, the keeper lunged towards him, and Boateng instead of getting a shoe to his body, went up (reactionary decision, so it's okay), and went down. What he did (playacting and crying in agony) is another thing, but the aggressor in this case was the GK. So not a dive. A dive is where there is minimal or no contact.

And yes, I'd be fine with a 5-match ban for Boateng if he cheated and dived. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Perfectly fine. Usually when a player dives with malicious intent, he looks back at the referee for the penalty, does some playacting, and shtick like that. That's a million miles away from sportsman spirit. Crooked behavior should be kicked out.

In genuine injury case (minor or a hard knock), players usually take their time to come back on the pitch, if at all.

[CHU-LIP]

If there was contact, it was not a dive,

That's not accurate, acid. Actually, it happens all the time someone dives, or falls out free will, when there's contact, because then you can say it's not a Schwalbe (dive). Ideally, when a player feels a very soft touch of his opponent, a touch which does not bring you anything close to unbalanced, I mean, the touch doesn't matter one bit, yet it is there, then the player falls (or dives), and yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, a free kick, or even a penalty kick.

I know it's a zillion times clearer that a dive is a dive when there's no contact, and that it's hard to give yellow when there's been contact. But if anything, hard to make this rule you guys got in mind. Especially for you, because you are not even aware of the zillion times a player has made a Schwalbe when there's been contact (good timing, you can call that).