[han2503]

Here we go back to the beginning again.

Anyone know when well see Pirlo and Nesta back?

[William405]

Wait,sorry I don't think we did something new against Udinese,the match was full of events,and changes.You can't really judge the system on it...Furthermore,we we're using the system that was winning us many games before,their we're just different players.

The system you're suggesting may work against Lecce,but I don't see it working on any other team,specially with the DMs we have.

And,Benitez was criticized for playing 2 Dms in midfeild,lol.

[X-Offender]

Wait,sorry I don't think we did something new against Udinese,the match was full of events,and changes.You can't really judge the system on it...Furthermore,we we're using the system that was winning us many games before,their we're just different players.

The system you're suggesting may work against Lecce,but I don't see it working on any other team,specially with the DMs we have.

And,Benitez was criticized for playing 2 Dms in midfeild,lol.

Yes, we did. We played Seedorf as deep lying playmaker and Robinho as trequartista. From a tactical point of view, we were playing a 4-3-1-2, but as the game progressed, it was more of a 4-2-4, with two defensive midfielders (Strasser, Gattuso) and four attacking players (Seedorf, Robinho, Pato, Ibrahimovic). Hence why Udinese r@ped our asses on major ground. We need more balance in midfield, and the system we were playing prior to Christmas was leading us in the right path.

[han2503]

Yes, we did. We played Seedorf as deep lying playmaker and Robinho as trequartista. From a tactical point of view, we were playing a 4-3-1-2, but as the game progressed, it was more of a 4-2-4, with two defensive midfielders (Strasser, Gattuso) and four attacking players (Seedorf, Robinho, Pato, Ibrahimovic). Hence why Udinese r@ped our asses on major ground. We need more balance in midfield, and the system we were playing prior to Christmas was leading us in the right path.

The system we used before christmas contained 2 DMs as well.

Problem here is centered around Pirlo. No matter how many DMs we stack in that midfield, if we cannot retain the ball and move it quicker then the snails pace we have adapted these last2 games then we're going to be put under pressure, no matter who the opposition is and how many DMs we have.

Pirlo needs to be there, he knows how to distributed the ball, keep it moving and make the smart pass that does not put his team mate under pressure like our other mids tend to do.

I've always said that 3 DMs is overkill, and using it to try to counter the defensive gaffs that happened against Udine won't solve any problems. We need Pirlo back ASAP. But until he returns a midfielder that can distribute the ball still needs to play or we won't get anywhere, at this point in time that it Seedorf. Problem with Seedorf is that Allegri is playing him as a DM, then when we got desperate he was pushed up a lot leaving the midfield exposed. Seedorf needs to play his old position, ie. left of the central midfield, let one of the DMs play the actual DM position, it's not rocket science FFS!!!

This is what I personally would like to see for the Lecce game

Abate--Nesta--Thiago--Antonini
Ambro
Strasser--Seedorf
Cassano
Ibra--Pato

[X-Offender]

tl;dr

So, according to you, if Nesta, Ambrosini and Cassano would have played instead of Bonera, Gattuso and Robinho against Udinese, we wouldn't have conceded 3-4 goals? The problem is not the individual players, but the playing system. We simply cannot afford to play with only two DMs. Before Christmas, we were playing with Pirlo, Gattuso, Ambrosini and Boateng. If you think carefully, that's nearly like playing with 4 DMs, considering none of them are proper offensive midfielders. Against Udinese, the only DMs who know how to defend were Gattuso and Strasser, hence the major @ss-whooping.

[han2503]

So, according to you, if Nesta, Ambrosini and Cassano would have played instead of Bonera, Gattuso and Robinho against Udinese, we wouldn't have conceded 3-4 goals? The problem is not the individual players, but the playing system. We simply cannot afford to play with only two DMs. Before Christmas, we were playing with Pirlo, Gattuso, Ambrosini and Boateng. If you think carefully, that's nearly like playing with 4 DMs, considering none of them are proper offensive midfielders. Against Udinese, the only DMs who know how to defend were Gattuso and Strasser, hence the major @ss-whooping.

We conceeded because everyone was pushing high up to attack leaving only Bonera and Thiago back. Even the DMs were being pushed to far up, so had there been 3 instead of 2 we would have still seen the same result. Also, I said that some of the goals were down to the system, others were down to individual mistakes.

And a big lol at the 4 DM bit, Pirlo is not a DM, neither is Boateng, we were playing with Rino and Ambro in front of the defense Pirlo and Boateng were playing very high up the pitch. Boateng was practically part of the attack most of the time.

Packing the midfield with DMs is not the answer, it will just cause congestion without having any foward movement which is actually decent to move the ball to the atack. Again, we'll end up punting the ball straight from defense to attack in the hopes that Ibra pulls something out his @ss.

We'll most likely play with 3 DMs this weekend, and we'll probably win because Lecce are just that bad, but it won't be pretty and it will most likely come from a hopeful long ball to Ibra. Personally can't wait for Pirlo to get back. We'll drop this stupid 3 DM system that only works if Ibra is up to it and the opposition have defenders that can't cope with him, and go back to a system that actually works, which is a balanced one.