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Fillipo Simone
post Sep 25 2010, 10:21 PM
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QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Sep 27 2010, 04:56 PM) *
That's one game. If you have followed AC Milan these years (and I'm sure you have) you know Seedorf and Inzaghi have been key players for us in CL over and over again. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Against Ajax it should work IMO.

And our line-up/midfield was picked very wrong by Allegri that match, so I'm not surprised he failed that match.

Through the last few years is very vague imo. Pippo has showed up in a handful of games, CL or not, same goes for Seedorf. Imo this is the mentality that has gotten us into this mess, justifying Seedorf and Pippo playing an important CL match from the start by looking at their past performances, and not the ones from a couple of weeks ago or even a couple of months, but years ago.

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With Seedorf as AM we won a Champions League. Still, that doesn't justify the fact he should be a starter. But the alternative named Ronaldinho is even worse, from my point of view, so we can't really do anything about it. At least the team will be more balanced.

The way I see it, during this signing campaign we strengthened our center defense and attack, which had major flaws. Next summer we should strengthen our side defense by signing a fullback or two, and midfield by signing a great AM and possibly another central midfielder if Ambro and/or Gattuso are leaving. Only then our team will be complete.

We all know that Seedorf playing there wasn't really that much of an important point for us, Kaka was the man that dragged us through the competition, Seedorf only had 2 decent games that year in the CL, Bayern Away and Man U Home, those are the games that he really stomped his authority on, the others were mostly Kaka driving that luckluster team on. Plus Seedorf wasn't playing the AM position like you're asking him to in that formation, he was playing alongside Kaka behing a single striker, imo that makes a lot of difference

Agree with the last part
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 27 2010, 08:20 PM) *
We all know that Seedorf playing there wasn't really that much of an important point for us, Kaka was the man that dragged us through the competition, Seedorf only had 2 decent games that year in the CL, Bayern Away and Man U Home, those are the games that he really stomped his authority on, the others were mostly Kaka driving that luckluster team on. Plus Seedorf wasn't playing the AM position like you're asking him to in that formation, he was playing alongside Kaka behing a single striker, imo that makes a lot of difference


Can't agree. I'm not a big fan of Seedorf, but I think he was very important for us that season, in the CL. Saying he had only two decent games is rather harsh. I'd rather say his best performances were against Bayern and Man U instead. And true, our line-up that season was 4-3-2-1, but in reality Kaka' was acting more like a second striker than AM. We've got Robinho now, so he can provide the same performance of Kaka' in terms of tactical position on the field. We haven't much to lose really. Playing Ronaldinho instead would just be a big, fat mistake.
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 27 2010, 07:35 PM) *
Can't agree. I'm not a big fan of Seedorf, but I think he was very important for us that season, in the CL. Saying he had only two decent games is rather harsh. I'd rather say his best performances were against Bayern and Man U instead. And true, our line-up that season was 4-3-2-1, but in reality Kaka' was acting more like a second striker than AM. We've got Robinho now, so he can provide the same performance of Kaka' in terms of tactical position on the field. We haven't much to lose really. Playing Ronaldinho instead would just be a big, fat mistake.

Kaka was playing more advanced then Seedorf but it was more like this

---------Pippo/Gila
Kaka
-------Seedorf

That'ss a big difference between playing 2 out and out strikers and what we played with Seedorf and Kaka. Also you really can;t compare Robinho to Kaka, Kaka is more tactically disciplined, Robinho is more of a free roaming player, ristricting him would be limiting him.

I say playing Seedorf would be the bigger mistake. Anyway, if we do play Seedorf there, I'm pretty sure it will fail big time. And it won't last for more then maybe 2 or 3 tries.

Until we get in a top quality AM, my vote will always be for Dinho, simply because he is the best we have atm, no matter how many ways you try to twist this debate.
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 27 2010, 08:40 PM) *
Until we get in a top quality AM, my vote will always be for Dinho, simply because he is the best we have atm, no matter how many ways you try to twist this debate.

On paper maybe. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) As long as it looks good on paper, huh?
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