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post Jul 20 2010, 11:29 AM
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OFFICIAL A.C. MILAN PRESS RELEASE
7/20/2010
MILAN - A.C. Milan communicate that they have signed the player SOKRATIS PAPASTATHOPOULOS outright from Genoa and have sold NNAMDI ODUAMADI, RODNEY STRASSER and GIANMARCO ZIGONI on a co-ownership deal to the same club.



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post Aug 2 2010, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 2 2010, 03:49 AM) *
I was thinking, if our fullbacks are so strained, perhaps it might not be outside the realm of possibility to play a 3 man defence with Nesta, Silva and Sokratis.



No its not a bad idea either, though they say its suicidal in the italian league.



I've read the Italian league is suited for slow-tempo possession formations. Since most teams prefer to play counter attack, it seems one team will always dominate possession while the other will be content to counter. Rarely will both teams fight for who has possession.


favorable formations:

4-3-1-2
4-3-3
4-5-1
4-2-3-1

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3-X-X

is usually an attacking formation where they attack with 7 and then have 2 stoppers and a sweeper to soak up pressure till the fullbacks arrive.


This would be heaven for teams who sit back and then counter with 3 fast players.


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the reason 4-possession works well in italy is because the defensive line is deep and usually plays man to man marking, which means they don't worry about the space just where the man moves. The midfield plays zonal, which means they sit in front of the defence and worry about the space they are to hold.



--------x---------x-------x---------x
[space]-----x--------x--------x--[space]

[space..........space........space..........]


This gives time for the fullbacks to arrive and provide the needed with in order to penetrate a deep defensive system.


Also by holding the majority of the possesion and one line of defense playing man to man and the other playing zonal, you will see small gaps open in the middle of the defence from time to time as the ball moves from one side to another.

This is also why players like pato/ronaldinho/kaka dominate in italian league and spanish leagues vs english. Once you beat your man marker, your virtually free to have a shot at net or a cross. While in the english league you have to beat players by using the channels in between defenders via passes because all defenders and midfielders have cover, so you'll run into trouble as soon as you beat your guy.

Arsenal worked us pretty well on the channels this weekend. Had we say 6 months under allegri, that would never have worked. Then the only thing they could have hoped for would be beating us via speed and physique and hoping for luck; like they did in 08.



Here's a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2evhC89YPZI

Watch fio's defence and you'll see how many times the middle is left wide open.
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If it worked though, this would look damn good.



-------abbiati------

---sokratis-nesta-silva


abate-flamini---pirlo---antonini

pato------borriello----dinho

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QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 2 2010, 05:08 AM) *
the reason 4-possession works well in italy is because the defensive line is deep and usually plays man to man marking, which means they don't worry about the space just where the man moves. The midfield plays zonal, which means they sit in front of the defence and worry about the space they are to hold.


Also by holding the majority of the possesion and one line of defense playing man to man and the other playing zonal, you will see small gaps open in the middle of the defence from time to time as the ball moves from one side to another.

This is also why players like pato/ronaldinho/kaka dominate in italian league and spanish leagues vs english. Once you beat your man marker, your virtually free to have a shot at net or a cross. While in the english league you have to beat players by using the channels in between defenders via passes because all defenders and midfielders have cover, so you'll run into trouble as soon as you beat your guy.


Seems like all the more reason for Pirlo to play up farther, no?
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- Tennie   Sokratis   Jul 20 2010, 11:29 AM
- - Jack Sparrow   On the official site...you can no longer access th...   Jul 20 2010, 11:49 AM
- - Darunia   Wonder how good he is at RB, we might need him the...   Jul 20 2010, 05:09 PM
- - Fishdoll   Not terribly bad - I think. He played on the righ...   Jul 20 2010, 05:22 PM
- - Jack Sparrow   Bugger! Is he another Bonera?   Jul 20 2010, 05:26 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   It's good to see we signed him. With 22 there...   Jul 21 2010, 09:05 AM
- - Jack Sparrow   I suppose. If we play him. Bonera was 26 when we s...   Jul 21 2010, 10:31 AM
- - samira   Welcome !   Jul 21 2010, 12:21 PM
- - Tennie   The ultras seem happy with his transfer. According...   Jul 21 2010, 12:33 PM
- - kurtsimonw   How on earth can you fit that name into a song? We...   Jul 21 2010, 03:23 PM
|- - Jack Bauer   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 21 2010, 05:23 PM...   Jul 22 2010, 09:31 AM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Jul 22 2010, 08:31 AM...   Jul 22 2010, 09:41 AM
- - Jack Sparrow   Keira supports West Ham. Keira is perfect. I...   Jul 22 2010, 10:16 AM
- - kurtsimonw   I would be insulted, but West Ham sing a song abou...   Jul 22 2010, 05:08 PM
- - Dracoris   Here's a vid of his performances in Genoa. ht...   Jul 24 2010, 03:41 PM
- - Darunia   It seemed like he only played RB in that video, he...   Jul 24 2010, 05:45 PM
- - Bluesummers   QUOTE Let's get this out of the way immediatel...   Jul 28 2010, 08:08 PM
- - Dracoris   I think this guy will be class. http://www.youtub...   Aug 2 2010, 03:22 AM
- - Bluesummers   He's f**king great! thats why we bought h...   Aug 2 2010, 04:32 AM
- - red   Wow, this guy already oozes class.   Aug 2 2010, 05:11 AM
- - d'Arc.LP   He was not that good. He also made some mistakes b...   Aug 2 2010, 09:28 AM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Aug 2 2010, 10:28 A...   Aug 2 2010, 11:21 AM
- - Jack Sparrow   I was thinking, if our fullbacks are so strained, ...   Aug 2 2010, 10:49 AM
|- - Jack Sparrow   QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 2 2010, 03:38 PM...   Aug 2 2010, 12:41 PM
||- - d'Arc.LP   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 2 2010, 11:41 A...   Aug 2 2010, 03:59 PM
- - X-Offender   I don't like the idea of a 3-men defense at al...   Aug 2 2010, 05:04 PM
|- - kurtsimonw   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 2 2010, 05:0...   Aug 6 2010, 01:04 AM
- - Danny   I heard this lad looked a player V Arsenal. Sounds...   Aug 5 2010, 05:48 PM
- - Bluesummers   QUOTE (servbot @ Aug 5 2010, 11:35 PM) Se...   Aug 6 2010, 06:52 AM
- - Fillipo Simone   Well, safe to say so far Sokratis was a miscalcula...   Dec 5 2010, 08:39 PM
|- - dst   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 5 2010, 09:39...   Dec 6 2010, 02:48 PM
- - X-Offender   Agreed. Yepes has been rock solid in his three app...   Dec 5 2010, 10:49 PM
- - CHU-LIP   I don't find disaster accurate. Sokratis shoul...   Dec 5 2010, 11:56 PM
- - X-Offender   Let's just be content that we have Yepes and S...   Dec 6 2010, 01:45 AM
- - Zed.D   Yepes has been rock solid? the only defender who...   Dec 6 2010, 08:54 AM
- - amancik   QUOTE (Zed.D @ Dec 6 2010, 03:54 PM) I ha...   Dec 6 2010, 12:50 PM
|- - Zed.D   QUOTE (amancik @ Dec 6 2010, 03:20 PM) I ...   Dec 6 2010, 09:44 PM
- - Jack Sparrow   Plus one. He's an excellent squad player, but ...   Dec 6 2010, 02:21 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   Maybe Yepes done more mistakes, but Papa's wer...   Dec 6 2010, 05:31 PM
- - han2503   What irritates me about the Sokratis situation is ...   Dec 6 2010, 05:43 PM
- - Jack Sparrow   Maybe he just isn't showing enough in training...   Dec 6 2010, 05:54 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Dec 6 2010, 05:54 P...   Dec 6 2010, 06:38 PM
- - amancik   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Dec 7 2010, 12:54 A...   Dec 6 2010, 06:23 PM
- - William405   You should have a sig han written on it "I...   Dec 6 2010, 07:17 PM
- - dst   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 6 2010, 06:31...   Dec 6 2010, 07:33 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   What, at the age of 22?   Dec 7 2010, 01:31 AM
|- - Zed.D   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 7 2010, 04:01...   Dec 7 2010, 10:30 AM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (Zed.D @ Dec 7 2010, 10:30 AM) You ...   Dec 7 2010, 03:49 PM
- - X-Offender   Wow, the disparity in evaluation between Sokratis ...   Dec 7 2010, 04:06 AM
- - Bluesummers   Sokratis isn't ready to start for milan yet. ...   Dec 7 2010, 06:21 AM
- - Bluesummers   RE: Sokratis   Dec 7 2010, 10:54 AM
- - Zed.D   How about this: vs Palermo, minute 46. It was a ...   Dec 7 2010, 04:22 PM
- - Jack Bauer   Right now he's fifth in the depth chart so loa...   Dec 7 2010, 11:04 PM
- - Jack Sparrow   I thought Sokratis was on loan with option....tota...   Dec 7 2010, 11:09 PM
|- - Jack Bauer   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Dec 8 2010, 01:09 A...   Dec 7 2010, 11:13 PM
- - X-Offender   Yep. Sokratis is a Milan player 100%.   Dec 8 2010, 12:13 AM
- - dst   Ah poor Papa, he can do little to regain his place...   Jan 9 2011, 11:03 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   +1   Jan 9 2011, 11:04 PM
- - acid911   +2. Or +2,000. Won't really matter, I fear. F...   Jan 10 2011, 03:45 PM
- - vahid   So he loaned out to Werder Bremen by Genoa.   Aug 8 2011, 02:47 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   Yep, and had a pretty bad first match   Aug 8 2011, 02:56 PM
- - CHU-LIP   I thought he had a good game last weekend?   Aug 8 2011, 03:33 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Aug 8 2011, 04:33 P...   Aug 8 2011, 03:54 PM


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