[Portman]

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Média de assistências nos estádios 2007/2008:

1. Real Madrid CF (Espanha) - 76.200
2. Manchester United (Inglaterra) - 75.690
3. Borussia Dortmund (Alemanha) - 72.500
4. Bayern Munique (Alemanha) - 69.000
5. FC Barcelona (Espanha) - 67.560
6. Schalke 04 (Alemanha) - 61.275
7. Arsenal FC (Inglaterra) - 60.070
8. Celtic FC (Escócia) - 56.675
9. AC Milan (Itália) 56.640
10. Hamburguer SV (Alemanha) - 55.365
11. Olympique Marseille - (França) - 52.600
12. Newcastle United (Inglaterra) - 51.324
13. Internazionale (Itália) - 51.210
14. VfB Stuttgart (Alemanha) - 50.445
15. FC Rangers (Escócia) - 49.145
16. Ajax (Holanda) - 49.125
17. Eintracht Frankfurt (Alemanha) - 48.325
18. Hertha BSC (Alemanha) - 45.440
19. Atlético de Madrid (Espanha) - 45.255
20. Feyenoord (Holanda) - 44.620
21. FC Koln (Alemanha) - 43.740
22. Liverpool FC (Inglaterra) - 43.534
23. FC Nuremberg (Alemanha) - 43.450
24. Sunderland (Inglaterra) - 43.343
25. Manchester City (Inglaterra) - 42.126
26. Chelsea FC (Inglaterra) - 41.396
27. SS Napoli (Itália) - 40.780
28. Valencia (Espanha) - 40.710
29. Borussia Munchengladbach (Alemanha) - 40.250
30. Hannover 96 (Alemanha) - 40.235
31. Werder Bremen (Alemanha) - 40.310
32. Aston Villa (Inglaterra) - 39.870
33. FC Sevilla (Espanha) - 39.555
34. SL Benfica (Portugal) - 38.709
35. FC Porto (Portugal) - 38.630
36. Real Bétis (Espanha) - 37.420
37. Olympique Lyonnais (França) - 37.295
38. AS Roma (Itália) - 37.275
39. Everton FC (Inglaterra) - 36.955
40. Paris Saint-Germain (França) - 36.945
41. Athletic Bilbao (Espanha) - 36.235
42. Tottenham Hotspurs (Inglaterra) - 35.966
43. Munique 1860 (Alemanha) - 35.070
44. RC Lens (França) - 34.655
45. West Ham United (Inglaterra) - 34.600
46. PSV Eindhoven (Holanda) - 33.510
47. Fiorentina (Itália) - 31.385
48. Derby County (Inglaterra) - 30.870
49. Sporting CP (Portugal) - 30.721
50. Real Zaragoza (Espanha) - 30.710

Source: Football Finance - http://www.futebolfinance.com/o-numero-de-...opeus-20072008/

Above there's the average of the attendances @ last season in Europe. And as we can see, we're the only italian club in the top 10 though we had the worst season of the last 7-8 years.

[Jack Sparrow]

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Heh heh...one of these days, I should write a thesis on the 'Elegance of Post Prose in the works of Portikins'. Brevity truly is the soul of wit.

Don't ever compare Chelsea with Barca and Madrid. I'm not even talking about Chelsea. I'm talking about Madrid and Barca, even though I dislike the latter. in Ronaldinho era the shirt sales increased? so what? that's not the point. are you trying to sidetrack from the topic? we're talking about attendance and Madrid have always had an almost full stadium in their home games as far as I remember. why do you keep changing the topic to Galacticos era or Chelsea comparisons or Liverpool's Istanbul, etc.?? these things have nothing to do with the fact that Madrid have the highest home game attendance in Europe.

@zeddie: Read your post. I made a mistake. I wasn't talking about attendance. Since I think it's kinda unfair to say, only people with season tickets are fans. But if you mean purely attendance, then I don't have a lot to argue with. Since the two big Madrid clubs are virtually part of the Madrid city landscape.

As for Italy and attendance...I would put it down to three things:

1. The economic conditions simply made it cheaper to sit at home and watch the game on tv as much as possible and buy tickets to the big games rather than season tickets.
2. The calciopoli crisis. Case in Point: My buddy R7, had gone to Milan to watch some match from the first season post calciopoli. He'd been picked up from the airport in a taxi and the driver was an Interista who spoke English. The man said, until now he'd always purchased season tickets, but he isn't gonna do it for that season, coz of the scandal. And this was an Interista, a guy who had every reason to be happy about calciopoli. Italians love their clubs, but they love their football more I guess. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
3. The footballing violence. Spanish and English and German stadiums are much safer than Italian ones. They also have far higher attendances. Coincidence?
4. Stadium facilities. From what Tennie and R7 have told me, even though we love the atmosphere of the San Siro, the fact is it doesn't hold a candle to the Bayern Munich or the Emiraes stadium. Why would people pay large sums to sit in 'sub-standard' arenas. Remember we don't own the San Siro. Yet we had to do all the work installing turn stiles and CCTV etc.

P.S: Perhaps the lackadaisical transfer policy might have something to do with it. Since our season tickets did show an upturn since this season. But I do believe that the above four reasons are more relevant.

This post has been edited by Jack Sparrow: Oct 17 2008, 08:30 AM

[acid911]

Heh heh...one of these days, I should write a thesis on the 'Elegance of Post Prose in the works of Portikins'. Brevity truly is the soul of wit.

A very noble idea. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/96.gif) But, I'd much rather have you finish the book you're currently working on, first: 'The Trials And Tribulations of Being An Online Forum Pirate'. It's long over due, in my opinion.

This post has been edited by acid911: Oct 30 2008, 08:55 AM