[Portman]

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Média de assistências nos estádios 2007/2008:

1. Real Madrid CF (Espanha) - 76.200
2. Manchester United (Inglaterra) - 75.690
3. Borussia Dortmund (Alemanha) - 72.500
4. Bayern Munique (Alemanha) - 69.000
5. FC Barcelona (Espanha) - 67.560
6. Schalke 04 (Alemanha) - 61.275
7. Arsenal FC (Inglaterra) - 60.070
8. Celtic FC (Escócia) - 56.675
9. AC Milan (Itália) 56.640
10. Hamburguer SV (Alemanha) - 55.365
11. Olympique Marseille - (França) - 52.600
12. Newcastle United (Inglaterra) - 51.324
13. Internazionale (Itália) - 51.210
14. VfB Stuttgart (Alemanha) - 50.445
15. FC Rangers (Escócia) - 49.145
16. Ajax (Holanda) - 49.125
17. Eintracht Frankfurt (Alemanha) - 48.325
18. Hertha BSC (Alemanha) - 45.440
19. Atlético de Madrid (Espanha) - 45.255
20. Feyenoord (Holanda) - 44.620
21. FC Koln (Alemanha) - 43.740
22. Liverpool FC (Inglaterra) - 43.534
23. FC Nuremberg (Alemanha) - 43.450
24. Sunderland (Inglaterra) - 43.343
25. Manchester City (Inglaterra) - 42.126
26. Chelsea FC (Inglaterra) - 41.396
27. SS Napoli (Itália) - 40.780
28. Valencia (Espanha) - 40.710
29. Borussia Munchengladbach (Alemanha) - 40.250
30. Hannover 96 (Alemanha) - 40.235
31. Werder Bremen (Alemanha) - 40.310
32. Aston Villa (Inglaterra) - 39.870
33. FC Sevilla (Espanha) - 39.555
34. SL Benfica (Portugal) - 38.709
35. FC Porto (Portugal) - 38.630
36. Real Bétis (Espanha) - 37.420
37. Olympique Lyonnais (França) - 37.295
38. AS Roma (Itália) - 37.275
39. Everton FC (Inglaterra) - 36.955
40. Paris Saint-Germain (França) - 36.945
41. Athletic Bilbao (Espanha) - 36.235
42. Tottenham Hotspurs (Inglaterra) - 35.966
43. Munique 1860 (Alemanha) - 35.070
44. RC Lens (França) - 34.655
45. West Ham United (Inglaterra) - 34.600
46. PSV Eindhoven (Holanda) - 33.510
47. Fiorentina (Itália) - 31.385
48. Derby County (Inglaterra) - 30.870
49. Sporting CP (Portugal) - 30.721
50. Real Zaragoza (Espanha) - 30.710

Source: Football Finance - http://www.futebolfinance.com/o-numero-de-...opeus-20072008/

Above there's the average of the attendances @ last season in Europe. And as we can see, we're the only italian club in the top 10 though we had the worst season of the last 7-8 years.

[Jack Sparrow]

Well you can't really say the people who attend the stadiums are just the only fan Madrid have got.

How do you explain the world wide sales of the Madrid franchise? All Bernabeu fans? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Look mate, I can tell you numerous instance of galatico fans (Zidane is God,Figo is the best, Ronaldo is a legend (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) ) who two years ago declared themselves as lifelong Barca supporters. Can you even imagine that? A madrid fan supporting Barca or even wishing them well in football? These guys don't even know what I mean when I say Catalonia...

These zeddie are the glory hunters.

Perhaps Pana overstated when he said they're all glory hunters. But I think if you count percentages of 'fans'. Real, ManU, Chelsea and Barca have the highest percentage of glory hunters in them (which might be small say, 10-40%, but is still large compared to other clubs)

Ask them who di Stefano is? Or who was Robson? Or about how well they did under Vialli? Or if they remember Cruyff's contribution...and they'll just stare back.

How can you call yourself a fan, if all you care about is the present with no idea about the past?

I'm a Milan fan, and I'm proud of our CLs and scudettos, but that doesn't mean you remain unaware of the seasons spent in Serie B, and the wilderness of the mid 90s.

However I think I'm forgiven if I can't tell you in details about Gre-No-Li. But hey, at least I know them and what they did.

This post has been edited by Jack Sparrow: Oct 16 2008, 10:06 AM

[dst]

Ah finally some discussion here, it's been dead silent for a week!

Moving to a new stadium? I would prefer us to purchase outright the San Siro. But then, that is impossible, at least we could really ramp it up to be on par with the Ashburton Groves and the Olympic Stadions etc.

I don't think it's impossible. There is a way. They will accept to sell it if Milan guarantee that they will renew it... (this is only a guess but it has happened here)

Real went "4 years" without winning a single trophy and still their fans went to the Bernabeu. how can you justify that? you hate Madrid, fine, but don't tell me their fans are a bunch of hypocrite glory-hunters who leave their team alone when it's going through a tough time, because they are not and they don't. Santiago Bernabeu has always been like this.

First of all, I don't hate Madrid. In fact I respect them for they are clearly the most successful team in Europe. But I do loather their attitude, they are as arrogant as it gets. Clearly (again) the most arrogant set of fans I know of!
Secondly, where did I say that Real fans are glory hunters? You asked what's wrong with being a glory hunter (I still can't believe you respect those people) and I replied on that, I never connected it with Real's fans...

But I think if you count percentages of 'fans'. Real, ManU, Chelsea and Barca have the highest percentage of glory hunters in them (which might be small say, 10-40%, but is still large compared to other clubs)

Of course they have the highest percentage of glory hunters but that is because they are the most popular teams in Europe and hype brings you fake fans. Can you even imagine how many of those Milan acquired just because of Ronaldinho? I'm sure there are a lot of them...

It's also worth mentioning that Spain as a country is doing much much better than Italy. Spain is financially thriving while Italy is going down the drain. That, for sure, does affect season ticket holders and attendance in general.

That and the fact that calcio d'Italia went through a huge crisis just two years ago are grave factors...

This post has been edited by dst: Oct 16 2008, 09:14 PM