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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 26 2008, 04:43 PM) *
Jack. You missed out the most important one. Which suggests the power is still with the big clubs, if he turns out good enough for neither? Well the smaller club has already wasted money on buying half of the player, and they know the bigger club isn't going to want him back so they're almost forced to buy the rest of somebody they don't even want.

On the Boriello case: We sold half of him for £1m, we didn't know how good he's turn out and we may not have been expecting anything from him. If he has a bad season, like I said above, Genoa are almpost forced to waste money of the remaining half of Boriello. If he plays well like he did, they've got 0% chance of keeping him because there's no way they can compete with Milan for the rights.

In a loan deal, before loaning him out alot of teams have an option to be for £Xm, so obviously Boriello's value may have been fairly low, since we wouldn't know how he'd turn out. In a normal loan deal, we get our player first team experience and Gena get a guy who's scored 19 goals. With the view to a purchase option, this gives Genoa much more power than the big club. He's purchase option would have been very low, much less than £6m since he's never proved anything in this league, he then goes and has a great season and his worth doubles. But the agreement is that Genoa are to pay even less, and the bigger club can do nothing about it. Which is superb, more power to the smaller team, exactly what this game needs. With loans, the small team never loses and that is the most important thing. With co-ownerships, they basically waste money if he doesn't turn out too well.

I jut still don't see the benefit really.



If he had a bad season, nothing changes. Milan see nothing in him to buy out Genoa's half, and vice versa.Either the arrangement continues (as in Pozzi's case) or if Genoa think, this guy is totally cr@p, they can actually cut losses and sell their half to someone else. The same way shares are traded.

Loan to purchase option, means nothing if the player was a flop. Genoa gained nothing...but lost a year's wages being paid to him. On the other hand, if it was a co-ownership, they could sell their half of the contract, maybe to an even smaller team, and thus recuperate at least the wages they 'wasted'.

Similarly if he turns out to be a massive hit, the co-ownership might actually mean, they can sell their part of the deal for a much higher price (than setting the price beforehand), and use the money to buy someone else. Perhaps someone who plays for lesser wages. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


I guess, it's because I've grown used to co-ownerships in Serie A. Loaning is often almost used only to add depth. Very rarely are players loaned into first team.

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- m1ke   Abate   Jul 14 2008, 08:49 AM
- - han2503   He said that he wants to be sent on loan to play c...   Jul 14 2008, 06:35 PM
|- - Fillipo Simone   QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 14 2008, 06:35 PM) H...   Jul 15 2008, 10:35 AM
- - dst   I hope to see him in a Milan shirt in the future...   Jul 16 2008, 08:42 PM
- - jefri91   I like this guy, he is very talented and faaaaaaaa...   Jul 20 2008, 09:16 AM
- - Tennie   I like Abate too -- he did rather well at Empoli l...   Jul 20 2008, 11:41 AM
- - Tennie   L'A.C. Milan comunica di aver ceduto in compar...   Jul 23 2008, 04:06 PM
|- - zdrossoneri   QUOTE (Tennie @ Jul 23 2008, 06:36 PM) ...   Jul 23 2008, 04:34 PM
|- - gal_kenny   QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Jul 23 2008, 03:34 P...   Jul 23 2008, 04:59 PM
|- - TriniKing_CE   QUOTE (gal_kenny @ Jul 23 2008, 11:59 AM)...   Jul 23 2008, 05:21 PM
- - dst   Well done! Now let him develop and spend a bun...   Jul 23 2008, 04:28 PM
- - Jako19   ******* really, I fell like let go all of our youn...   Jul 23 2008, 04:33 PM
- - whoarethepatriots   This is a little disapointing. I hope he does well...   Jul 23 2008, 05:28 PM
- - CrazyMilanFan   why do we always do co-owner shps deal ???   Jul 23 2008, 06:02 PM
- - Bluesummers   QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jul 23 2008, 11:02...   Jul 23 2008, 07:56 PM
|- - CrazyMilanFan   QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jul 23 2008, 07:56 P...   Jul 23 2008, 08:01 PM
- - Bluesummers   QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jul 23 2008, 01:01...   Jul 23 2008, 08:07 PM
- - Habitant   yep this is rebuilding   Jul 24 2008, 01:40 AM
- - Jack Sparrow   It's really a double edged sword I guess. What...   Jul 24 2008, 05:23 AM
|- - Rossoneri7   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jul 24 2008, 07:23 ...   Jul 24 2008, 08:23 PM
- - Diavolo   As Galliani said, nowdays nobody is willing to gro...   Jul 24 2008, 01:26 PM
- - kurtsimonw   THe thing with co-ownership, I just don't unde...   Jul 24 2008, 03:40 PM
|- - CrazyMilanFan   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 24 2008, 03:40 PM...   Jul 24 2008, 03:46 PM
- - dst   It's what Diavolo says, it makes sense.   Jul 24 2008, 03:47 PM
- - kurtsimonw   So why do it then? We sell half of the player for ...   Jul 24 2008, 03:51 PM
- - han2503   They usually do co-ownership deals rather then loa...   Jul 24 2008, 04:13 PM
- - kurtsimonw   I still don't get the Borriello one, as we do ...   Jul 24 2008, 09:42 PM
|- - Rossoneri7   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 24 2008, 11:42 PM...   Jul 24 2008, 10:18 PM
|- - kurtsimonw   QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 24 2008, 10:18 PM...   Jul 24 2008, 11:44 PM
|- - Rossoneri7   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 25 2008, 01:44 AM...   Jul 25 2008, 11:06 AM
- - Diavolo   Because almost no one wants loaned players in thei...   Jul 25 2008, 01:35 AM
- - kurtsimonw   But when a small club loans somebody, they're ...   Jul 25 2008, 01:48 AM
|- - CrazyMilanFan   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 25 2008, 01:48 AM...   Jul 25 2008, 02:01 AM
|- - Habitant   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 25 2008, 12:48 AM...   Jul 25 2008, 05:55 AM
- - Jack Sparrow   I still don't see what the problem is here kur...   Jul 25 2008, 05:30 AM
|- - kurtsimonw   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jul 25 2008, 05:30 ...   Jul 25 2008, 07:00 PM
- - dst   I think co-ownership makes sense. I mean... for a ...   Jul 25 2008, 10:10 AM
- - Jack Sparrow   Concurrence. Now pay me Pana.   Jul 25 2008, 10:54 AM
- - whoarethepatriots   The advantage of a co-ownership is that it gives t...   Jul 25 2008, 11:41 PM
- - Tennie   Brutta tegola in casa Torino. Il centrocampista Ig...   Aug 18 2008, 10:47 PM
- - YoungGun   I'm not sure about my idea, but in world class...   Aug 24 2008, 06:44 PM
|- - Rossoneri7   QUOTE (YoungGun @ Aug 24 2008, 08:44 PM) ...   Aug 24 2008, 06:51 PM
- - Bluesummers   co-ownerships are somethign that needs to be incor...   Aug 25 2008, 07:40 AM
- - kurtsimonw   Co-ownerships are terrible in my opinion. It makes...   Aug 25 2008, 10:43 AM
|- - whoarethepatriots   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 25 2008, 10:43 AM...   Aug 25 2008, 11:24 PM
- - Jack Sparrow   Not really...Genoa only took in Borriello because ...   Aug 25 2008, 10:48 AM
- - Bluesummers   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 25 2008, 03:43 AM...   Aug 25 2008, 10:55 AM
|- - kurtsimonw   QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 25 2008, 10:55 A...   Aug 25 2008, 11:08 AM
- - YoungGun   Small teams cannot buy many players due to financi...   Aug 25 2008, 10:42 PM
- - kurtsimonw   I understand what you're saying.. but even sti...   Aug 25 2008, 11:17 PM
- - kurtsimonw   Whether it was a loan or co-ownership, it wouldn...   Aug 25 2008, 11:28 PM
- - acid911   I'm with Kurt on this one. Co-ownership maybe...   Aug 26 2008, 12:07 AM
- - Bluesummers   because kurt it puts pressure on the coach to use ...   Aug 26 2008, 12:09 AM
|- - kurtsimonw   QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 26 2008, 12:09 A...   Aug 26 2008, 12:36 AM
- - Bluesummers   also about the prices. On average the highest val...   Aug 26 2008, 12:10 AM
- - Jack Sparrow   Actually...you've got it backwards. It's n...   Aug 26 2008, 05:32 AM
|- - kurtsimonw   Jack. You missed out the most important one. Which...   Aug 26 2008, 11:13 AM
- - Bluesummers   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 25 2008, 10:32 ...   Aug 26 2008, 06:47 AM
- - Jack Sparrow   Do you want me to be your assistant coach?? Or ma...   Aug 26 2008, 06:50 AM
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