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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 25 2008, 10:32 PM) *
Actually...you've got it backwards. It's not the big clubs who insist on the co-ownership, it's the small ones.

See Borriello we gave him up for maybe 1 million(Total player worth= 2 mill). Suppose, he had been average. As in good for Genoa but not good enough for Milan, and we feel that's the best he can be. We can tell Genoa to buy him out, and Genoa will probably calculate that ok, his price on his performance would be now about 6 mill flat. But I already own half of him so to purchase his other half, I just need to pay 3 mill more.

Therefore Genoa end up paying a total of 3+1, i.e. 4 million for Borriello in total. While if he had been loaned with a purchase option, they would have had to pay whatever Milan wanted. So the big club is not bullying here. It's more power to the small guy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


Conversely, if he turned out good enough for Milan, we can get a player back. Someone who we thought wouldn't be too good, but turned out to be a surprise. Like Borriello! It's very rare to see, players who have been co-owned be brought back, unless they were really special. Because a co-ownership deal, unlike a loaning thing, can go on forever, till the player reaches his prime, and a decision is made once and for all.

And going from my earlier point of how it works out to be beneficial to the smaller club, this is exactly why clubs refuse to take great prospects from large clubs in Italy on loan. Loanees are almost always 2nd string players, who are meant to add depth. So a 4th choice player for Juve, might be loaned so he becomes 2nd choice at say Siena.

When both clubs realise they are talking a good prospect, the smaller club (fairly) plays hard ball.

'You're sending him here, to get him trained, to give him first team experience playing in the top level, and we have to pay his wages as well? What's in it for us?'

So if they buy half his contract, then that's it...they now have a vested interest, in developing him, coz now they know they can get him for cheap.

On the other hand, the EPL only has a loan with purchase option, which puts pressure. At the end of the year you have to say a yes or no as regards a purchase, when you want more time to check him out.


Yes, it works differently in EPL, when a player performing well in one season ,gives you enough cash due to a difference in table positions, but in Italy with TV revenues etc.. so low, for a smaller team, finish 9th or 13th doesn't make a huge difference in cash rewards. They need to gain something else.


exactly thank you i hate it when i can't clarfiy things.
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- m1ke   Abate   Jul 14 2008, 08:49 AM
- - han2503   He said that he wants to be sent on loan to play c...   Jul 14 2008, 06:35 PM
|- - Fillipo Simone   QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 14 2008, 06:35 PM) H...   Jul 15 2008, 10:35 AM
- - dst   I hope to see him in a Milan shirt in the future...   Jul 16 2008, 08:42 PM
- - jefri91   I like this guy, he is very talented and faaaaaaaa...   Jul 20 2008, 09:16 AM
- - Tennie   I like Abate too -- he did rather well at Empoli l...   Jul 20 2008, 11:41 AM
- - Tennie   L'A.C. Milan comunica di aver ceduto in compar...   Jul 23 2008, 04:06 PM
|- - zdrossoneri   QUOTE (Tennie @ Jul 23 2008, 06:36 PM) ...   Jul 23 2008, 04:34 PM
|- - gal_kenny   QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Jul 23 2008, 03:34 P...   Jul 23 2008, 04:59 PM
|- - TriniKing_CE   QUOTE (gal_kenny @ Jul 23 2008, 11:59 AM)...   Jul 23 2008, 05:21 PM
- - dst   Well done! Now let him develop and spend a bun...   Jul 23 2008, 04:28 PM
- - Jako19   ******* really, I fell like let go all of our youn...   Jul 23 2008, 04:33 PM
- - whoarethepatriots   This is a little disapointing. I hope he does well...   Jul 23 2008, 05:28 PM
- - CrazyMilanFan   why do we always do co-owner shps deal ???   Jul 23 2008, 06:02 PM
- - Bluesummers   QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jul 23 2008, 11:02...   Jul 23 2008, 07:56 PM
|- - CrazyMilanFan   QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jul 23 2008, 07:56 P...   Jul 23 2008, 08:01 PM
- - Bluesummers   QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jul 23 2008, 01:01...   Jul 23 2008, 08:07 PM
- - Habitant   yep this is rebuilding   Jul 24 2008, 01:40 AM
- - Jack Sparrow   It's really a double edged sword I guess. What...   Jul 24 2008, 05:23 AM
|- - Rossoneri7   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jul 24 2008, 07:23 ...   Jul 24 2008, 08:23 PM
- - Diavolo   As Galliani said, nowdays nobody is willing to gro...   Jul 24 2008, 01:26 PM
- - kurtsimonw   THe thing with co-ownership, I just don't unde...   Jul 24 2008, 03:40 PM
|- - CrazyMilanFan   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 24 2008, 03:40 PM...   Jul 24 2008, 03:46 PM
- - dst   It's what Diavolo says, it makes sense.   Jul 24 2008, 03:47 PM
- - kurtsimonw   So why do it then? We sell half of the player for ...   Jul 24 2008, 03:51 PM
- - han2503   They usually do co-ownership deals rather then loa...   Jul 24 2008, 04:13 PM
- - kurtsimonw   I still don't get the Borriello one, as we do ...   Jul 24 2008, 09:42 PM
|- - Rossoneri7   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 24 2008, 11:42 PM...   Jul 24 2008, 10:18 PM
|- - kurtsimonw   QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 24 2008, 10:18 PM...   Jul 24 2008, 11:44 PM
|- - Rossoneri7   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 25 2008, 01:44 AM...   Jul 25 2008, 11:06 AM
- - Diavolo   Because almost no one wants loaned players in thei...   Jul 25 2008, 01:35 AM
- - kurtsimonw   But when a small club loans somebody, they're ...   Jul 25 2008, 01:48 AM
|- - CrazyMilanFan   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 25 2008, 01:48 AM...   Jul 25 2008, 02:01 AM
|- - Habitant   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 25 2008, 12:48 AM...   Jul 25 2008, 05:55 AM
- - Jack Sparrow   I still don't see what the problem is here kur...   Jul 25 2008, 05:30 AM
|- - kurtsimonw   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jul 25 2008, 05:30 ...   Jul 25 2008, 07:00 PM
- - dst   I think co-ownership makes sense. I mean... for a ...   Jul 25 2008, 10:10 AM
- - Jack Sparrow   Concurrence. Now pay me Pana.   Jul 25 2008, 10:54 AM
- - whoarethepatriots   The advantage of a co-ownership is that it gives t...   Jul 25 2008, 11:41 PM
- - Tennie   Brutta tegola in casa Torino. Il centrocampista Ig...   Aug 18 2008, 10:47 PM
- - YoungGun   I'm not sure about my idea, but in world class...   Aug 24 2008, 06:44 PM
|- - Rossoneri7   QUOTE (YoungGun @ Aug 24 2008, 08:44 PM) ...   Aug 24 2008, 06:51 PM
- - Bluesummers   co-ownerships are somethign that needs to be incor...   Aug 25 2008, 07:40 AM
- - kurtsimonw   Co-ownerships are terrible in my opinion. It makes...   Aug 25 2008, 10:43 AM
|- - whoarethepatriots   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 25 2008, 10:43 AM...   Aug 25 2008, 11:24 PM
- - Jack Sparrow   Not really...Genoa only took in Borriello because ...   Aug 25 2008, 10:48 AM
- - Bluesummers   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 25 2008, 03:43 AM...   Aug 25 2008, 10:55 AM
|- - kurtsimonw   QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 25 2008, 10:55 A...   Aug 25 2008, 11:08 AM
- - YoungGun   Small teams cannot buy many players due to financi...   Aug 25 2008, 10:42 PM
- - kurtsimonw   I understand what you're saying.. but even sti...   Aug 25 2008, 11:17 PM
- - kurtsimonw   Whether it was a loan or co-ownership, it wouldn...   Aug 25 2008, 11:28 PM
- - acid911   I'm with Kurt on this one. Co-ownership maybe...   Aug 26 2008, 12:07 AM
- - Bluesummers   because kurt it puts pressure on the coach to use ...   Aug 26 2008, 12:09 AM
|- - kurtsimonw   QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 26 2008, 12:09 A...   Aug 26 2008, 12:36 AM
- - Bluesummers   also about the prices. On average the highest val...   Aug 26 2008, 12:10 AM
- - Jack Sparrow   Actually...you've got it backwards. It's n...   Aug 26 2008, 05:32 AM
|- - kurtsimonw   Jack. You missed out the most important one. Which...   Aug 26 2008, 11:13 AM
- - Jack Sparrow   Do you want me to be your assistant coach?? Or ma...   Aug 26 2008, 06:50 AM
- - Jack Sparrow   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 26 2008, 04:43 PM...   Aug 26 2008, 11:58 AM
|- - kurtsimonw   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 26 2008, 11:58 ...   Aug 26 2008, 12:07 PM
- - Tennie   Fishdoll Abate! He looks like one of th...   Aug 17 2009, 10:45 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 17 2009, 10:45 PM) Fi...   Aug 17 2009, 11:20 PM
- - Tennie   Fishdoll is, though he was hovering on fanboy terr...   Aug 17 2009, 11:25 PM
- - kurtsimonw   I didn't see the game. Was he really that good...   Aug 18 2009, 12:19 AM
- - il_diavolo_mtl   RM   Aug 18 2009, 12:34 AM
- - Habitant   same here, i really like what i've seen from a...   Aug 18 2009, 04:29 AM
- - dst   If he learns to be patient and to not rush into ch...   Aug 18 2009, 09:43 AM
- - Bluesummers   QUOTE (dst @ Aug 18 2009, 02:43 AM) If he...   Aug 18 2009, 11:32 AM
- - Tennie   So I just looked through the postmatch comments on...   Aug 18 2009, 11:57 AM
- - il_diavolo_mtl   i loved all the mid-fielders that game. Rino, Flam...   Aug 18 2009, 04:29 PM
- - Tennie   Nice interview with Abate today on acmilan.com (tr...   Aug 27 2009, 08:09 PM
- - Tennie   Fishdoll's hero.   Sep 20 2009, 06:16 PM
- - dst   So fishdoll likes Milan players too? What I like...   Sep 20 2009, 07:39 PM
- - Bluesummers   QUOTE (dst @ Sep 20 2009, 12:39 PM) So fi...   Sep 20 2009, 07:42 PM
- - Tennie   It's clear that playing for Milan really means...   Sep 20 2009, 08:17 PM
- - Bluesummers   He has the attitude that this squad need. He know...   Sep 21 2009, 04:40 PM
- - Bluesummers   QUOTE AC Milan Vice-President Adriano Galliani: Ig...   Sep 21 2009, 05:05 PM
|- - il_diavolo_mtl   QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Sep 21 2009, 12:05 P...   Sep 21 2009, 05:19 PM
- - Danny   Abate and one other are the only bright spots this...   Oct 4 2009, 07:09 PM
- - Maestro10   If there is anything to take away from this piss-p...   Oct 5 2009, 07:03 PM
- - Jack Sparrow   It's the return of Nesta for me.   Oct 5 2009, 07:17 PM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 5 2009, 07:17 P...   Oct 7 2009, 05:50 PM
- - TriniKing_CE   QUOTE (Maestro10 @ Oct 5 2009, 02:03 PM) ...   Oct 6 2009, 01:34 AM
- - il_diavolo_mtl   Early team awards go to Abate-Nesta-Silva (before ...   Oct 6 2009, 01:46 AM
- - Jack Sparrow   Maybe...but it's still holding up our defence.   Oct 7 2009, 05:54 PM
- - Tennie   Maybe my memory's fuzzy or Fishdoll slipped so...   Oct 7 2009, 06:01 PM
|- - il_diavolo_mtl   QUOTE (Tennie @ Oct 7 2009, 01:01 PM) May...   Oct 7 2009, 06:33 PM
- - Tennie   Nesta was on another planet when he played for Laz...   Oct 7 2009, 06:34 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (Tennie @ Oct 7 2009, 05:34 PM) Nes...   Oct 8 2009, 11:37 AM
- - dst   I think his best years were with us, not with Lazi...   Oct 8 2009, 12:11 PM
- - Tennie   (from the ticker on acmilan.com's english page...   Nov 12 2009, 01:13 PM
- - Zed.D   Happy 23rd Birthday, Ignazio   Nov 12 2009, 04:22 PM
- - Tennie   Awww. an interview on his birthday. (from acmilan...   Nov 12 2009, 06:02 PM
- - Bluesummers   happy birthday! He will become a milan legend...   Nov 12 2009, 09:37 PM
- - Fishdoll   (from acmilan.com) QUOTE A.C. MILAN COMUNICATO UF...   Feb 11 2010, 02:16 PM
- - Jack Sparrow   Any way we can dig out their new salaries? Or do w...   Feb 11 2010, 05:41 PM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 11 2010, 04:41 ...   Feb 11 2010, 09:14 PM
- - Bluesummers   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 11 2010, 10:41 ...   Feb 12 2010, 12:41 AM
- - Fishdoll   Got sources for those figures, Blue? Just curious ...   Feb 12 2010, 12:50 AM
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