[Rossoneri7]

Let us all hope for a fruitful transfer campaign and then, I think the merda have had enough fun already, it's time to take business into our own hands (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

[Jack Sparrow]

I understand your sentiments, but I have no doubt in my mind, that Carlo would easily easily win the EPL, if he were in a team with Chelsea with Abramovich's resources.

His team is built on passing, and making use of spaces in the mid-field. And the EPL is very conducive to space in the mid-field. The only exception to this rule was Mourinho's Chelsea, and Rafa's Liverpool. They're the only two sides that played 'European' football.

As for Ancellotti not winning. He was won the scudetto with us. And he did it very dominantly too. That season we also reached the semis of CL I think. But that was the last time, he ever had a proper squad. With cover everywhere. Since then, I don't think you can hold him accountable for the obvious deficiencies in the team ,and/or the targets fixed by the management.

You've already stated you wanted Mourinho. But the reason, I opposed is not that I don't like Mourinho. I would have loved for him to coach one of my other teams, like Valencia or Newcastle (not now, that we've got the greatest coach ever in Kevin Keegan), but...Mourinho would again, just fail miserably in this team.

He'd bench players?? He'd bench them for who? As soon as Carlo got Pato into rhythm, it was the last Milan saw of Gila.

Next, remember the argument on the field in the CL season, when Seedorf flung a bottle in anger?

Carlo: What're you doing? You're lucky I don't have any players left on the bench or else I'd substitute you!

Clarence: You don't like what's happening, you come and play, or else give us some more support from the bench.

No he knew, this problem from before. But the thing was Milan were not going to spend, and he had to make-do till then.

I don't know why. Maybe Milan felt it was more important to get it's finances in shape. Maybe Berlusconi had decided he couldn't spill cash, until his investment in the election campaign was done.

Either way, Mourinho would not have gotten cash either. Mourinho would just have made a hulla-bulloo, about not being given enough cash , the board would have turned the other way, and either Mourinho would quit,and left the team high and dry, or just do as much as Carlo did. Probably less, since the players don't know him/like him as well.

So now people want Mourinho, but they want new players as well?? My point is why should Mourinho get the luxury of getting the players he wants, and form a new team, when a man who pulled us out from nowhere to reach the top of club football, doesn't get the same opportunity.

After the investment,and if the club still fails, then Carletto will be removed. I have no doubts about that. And he will deserve to leave as well.

You like SAF....you probably know the kind of reception SAF got in the first 5-6 years of his career? He was supposed to be fired. But they didn't and he got the time to build his team, and after that it's been all good.

Same is the case with say Rovers and Mark Hughes. Moyes and Everton. Sometimes you need consistency. You cannot fire the coach without analysing what went wrong and why. Otherwise you end up with a Valencia or a Madrid. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

The problem besides that, with a personality like Mourinho (since I'm sure 50% of your dislike for Carlo stems from the huge differences in style from Mourinho) is that eventually you're going to have what happened in Chelsea. The team imploded. He could not keep his players together (except his chosen bunch), the rest of the team revolted, and he had to be fired. How else can there be 'problems' with management(who handpicked you) when you've won 3 titles? Not to mention, I found his last interview to be hilarious. I couldn't believe he was saying he needed more players!! All he lacked was a world class RB. That's it!! Carlo's been playing without a fullback, a centre back, a striker, and in some cases a creative mid-fielder as well!!

But that's just me. I happen to be a fan of the Capello, Sacchi, Carlo school. Shut up and play...the press is what Galliani is there for.

[kurtsimonw]

I understand your sentiments, but I have no doubt in my mind, that Carlo would easily easily win the EPL, if he were in a team with Chelsea with Abramovich's resources.

His team is built on passing, and making use of spaces in the mid-field. And the EPL is very conducive to space in the mid-field. The only exception to this rule was Mourinho's Chelsea, and Rafa's Liverpool. They're the only two sides that played 'European' football.

I'm not sure he'd win the league easily, but I'd be confident that he'd do it. But he's a good coach, so that's what you'd expect. It will be interesting to see who Chelsea go with. Carlo, Mancini and Mark Hughes are all on the shortlist, but Hughes doesn't usually play very attractive football, so I expect him to be ruled out. I'd be surprised if Carlo even got it, I think they'll go with Mancini - it'd probably be easier to get him too.

As for Ancellotti not winning. He was won the scudetto with us. And he did it very dominantly too. That season we also reached the semis of CL I think. But that was the last time, he ever had a proper squad. With cover everywhere. Since then, I don't think you can hold him accountable for the obvious deficiencies in the team ,and/or the targets fixed by the management.

You've already stated you wanted Mourinho. But the reason, I opposed is not that I don't like Mourinho. I would have loved for him to coach one of my other teams, like Valencia or Newcastle (not now, that we've got the greatest coach ever in Kevin Keegan), but...Mourinho would again, just fail miserably in this team.

I don't think once in.. 8 years is it now, or 7? Can't remember. Either way it's not quite good enough. Not having a big enough excuse is fair enough, but the problem comes when you rest players in the league to play in the Champions League - basically throwing the league away. Maybe it's acceptable if you go on to win the Champions League, but maybe not to some, his priorities seem to lie in the wrong place, but that's just for me.

I'm not sure he'd fail here, but it's not the right place for him, that's for sure. But he'd also fail at your other team, Newcastle. I think you could put SAF, Lippi, Capello and Jose their altogether and they'd fail up there!

Either way, Mourinho would not have gotten cash either. Mourinho would just have made a hulla-bulloo, about not being given enough cash , the board would have turned the other way, and either Mourinho would quit,and left the team high and dry, or just do as much as Carlo did. Probably less, since the players don't know him/like him as well.

So now people want Mourinho, but they want new players as well?? My point is why should Mourinho get the luxury of getting the players he wants, and form a new team, when a man who pulled us out from nowhere to reach the top of club football, doesn't get the same opportunity.

I agree. I don't blame the players we have on Carlo, that's clearly all the boards fault. The only thing that annoys me is that he is willing to sacrifice the league for a run in the CL, and an early CL exit - like this season - can put you in a very difficult postition with nothing to play for. I know it's supposedly Silvio who prefers CL over Serie A, but then you have to ask the question, does Silvio have TOO much input on team selection? I know it's his club and all, but that's what a choac is for!

You like SAF....you probably know the kind of reception SAF got in the first 5-6 years of his career? He was supposed to be fired. But they didn't and he got the time to build his team, and after that it's been all good.

Same is the case with say Rovers and Mark Hughes. Moyes and Everton. Sometimes you need consistency. You cannot fire the coach without analysing what went wrong and why. Otherwise you end up with a Valencia or a Madrid.

To be honest, I didn't know much about SAF and what he was thought of before he became a huge success - I was only 4 when he won his first league title - so I can't say much about his situation. But I do agree that you need some sort of consistancy. I think it takes a manager about 3 years to really build 'his' squad. So if you sack him after 3 seasons, you're just putting yourself back to square 1 again. So I think managers do need to be given more time nowadays, it's paid off with smaller clubs like Everton and Blackburn as you say, and even at the top level with SAF, Arsenal and Carlo, so I think time and patience is something owners need to learn about in modern day football.

The problem besides that, with a personality like Mourinho (since I'm sure 50% of your dislike for Carlo stems from the huge differences in style from Mourinho) is that eventually you're going to have what happened in Chelsea. The team imploded. He could not keep his players together (except his chosen bunch), the rest of the team revolted, and he had to be fired. How else can there be 'problems' with management(who handpicked you) when you've won 3 titles? Not to mention, I found his last interview to be hilarious. I couldn't believe he was saying he needed more players!! All he lacked was a world class RB. That's it!! Carlo's been playing without a fullback, a centre back, a striker, and in some cases a creative mid-fielder as well!!

But that's just me. I happen to be a fan of the Capello, Sacchi, Carlo school. Shut up and play...the press is what Galliani is there for.

I'm not sure it was Jose's personality that really caused problems. It all started from 2 things: 1) Sheva being signed against his wishes and 2) a DoF being appointed - Avram Grant. With Roman buying players for himself, and now Avram in the picture, I think he was just annoyed that he wasn't in charge of transfers. He asked for more money, and was told no.. and I see why he got annoyed - He wasn't allowed any money, yet Roman was willing to spend £30m on a player that the manager didn't even want! Crazy really. Jose didn't actually have the biggest squad, he only had 22 players at one point, they were all of fairly high quality, but that's still not alot when you're competing for 4 trophies.

I'd like somebody in between the way Carlo and Jose act. Jose is great because he doesn't give up when he's been told no, while Carlo seems to just accept any decision without even to be seemingly bothered. On the other hand, Carlo gets on with his job when he isn't given any money, whereas Mourinho starts making stupid interviews over it. A little in between would be nice!