[Bluesummers]

We are in a crisis right now, and it is affecting us greatly. Post your thoughts or solutions on how to fix this nasty problems from firing carlo to buying ronaldinho.

Statistics

2Wins, 4 draws, 3 Losses.

CL statistics

2 wins 1 loss.

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Oct 28 2007, 06:47 PM

[Bluesummers]

First of all ...MONSTER POST ALERT!!!! I MEAN GODZILLA MUTATED MONSTER!!! But if you will..please find the time to read it. It will be my last defence of Galliani and Carletto. I'm not upto it anymore. It takes too much outta me and gives me back very little, and we're all rigid in our opinions. I'll have to accept that. R7's been telling me this for some time. This time I'll listen.
And you're confusing charisma with media savvy is what I'm saying.

And you talked about being ready to die to get a starting place. Well it doesn't work out all the itme. The players need to believe they are part of a team.

You don't need me to tell you what happened in Chelsea and Madrid. Chelsea with their persistent in-fighting. Remember Drogba and his traitors?? And Madrid under Capello? Remember Robinho, Diarra, Cassano??? You want to call it competition?? I call it team-breaking.

If Capello had not done what he did the team would have been worst off than they are now.  The club players behaviors was getting out of hand and discipline was in need of installement. 

Capello's team would not have lasted much longer. The management knew it. They tried unloading a few troublemakers, and then finally decided they had to get rid of Capello himself, if the problem had to be stopped. The boring football was only part of the reason. Capello is not as boring as you might think. However he is a disciplinarian and like Mourinho considers himself the supreme boss.

Some clubs need that attitude to show the players that this isn't a fun sport they do when they feel like.  They needed to understand they were getting payed and if they did not perform, they would not play.

Mourinho's team was breaking at the seams. It was evident this season. His political problems might have facillitated the exit, but the trouble in the team was clear.

Is that what any of us want??

Roma however ARE a bunch of hungry players. They are a team of  virtual nobodies, with the exception of De Rossi and Totti. In fact they're Italy's Arsenal. I'll always respect Spalleti as a team builder, but for me Spaletti's flaws and Ancelotti's strengths were exposed by Man Utd last year. On Sunday we lost 1-0 to Roma. Not 7-0. Some of us like to forget that.

Carlo>spalletti No doubt about it.

You wanna sit back and say we want the Scudetto. Believe me I do too. But then you're sitting in that lofty perch that Milan has prepared for you. 3 finals in 4 years. Making it to the final four every bloody time.

The only way you'll get what Galliani means by CL being more important is when we constantly win the scudetto, but keep getting thumped by the likes of Madrid and Manchester. Trust me on this. Ask Inter if you like. They saw their hated rivals whom they 'beat' on both occasions in the League, take out a team (in their own fortress) after being universally considered down and out. I mean Munich.

A club of our standards need to be able to perform in both competitions.  Everyone else is doing it so why can't we?  Sure we shouldn't sacrifice the CL, however we should be able to still compete with inter for the league.

Even now when the 'pundits' talk about the strongest teams in Europe, for every Madrid and Chelsea, it's Milan from Italy they talk about in the same breath, not the scudetto winning Inter.

That is because of our history and kaka's achievements.  Kaka did miracles and that is why pundits mention our club in the same line as those are clubs.  If we had not won the CL, we would not be looked at as a threat.  Remeber 2 years ago we had reached semi's and when the new season began everyone laughed at us if we even mentioned a hint at being a competitor in the CL.


So imo, if the team isn't strong enough to compete on two fronts (I wholeheartedly accept this is a sh!tty situation), then they giving priority to the CL is fine by me. Do we need new players?? Yes please. But Milan don't just buy any multi million dollar, hyped player on the market thinking it'll work out. Any big transfer Milan has done has worked out. And believe me we were daredevils on the transfer market when it came to buying what we need. I think it was Rui...there were near riots when we got him from his previous, and Braida (or was it Fester) hid the contract in his trousers as he was leaving the club office. I'm not questioning their dedication.

Needing players is an understatement.  We are in desperate need of players.  If pirlo or rino or seedorf or kaka get hurt, our team falls apart like no other.

Why are we in such a sh!tty situation then? How could they overlook our obvious needs?

Ok here, I think the only mistake they made, was in assuming the fitness of R99 and Sergio. Yeah yeah, before you go on about how injury prone they are, and how stupid our mgmnt was...go back to the Ambrosini thread. We got comments talking about how Ambro was made of glass, and is always on the sidelines and so on and so forth. So what's up now??

It hurts when those players we are in need of get injured.  I personally have always thought that if ambro and rino weren't in our mid, we felt bare.  Judging from last season to this.

R99's was a freak injury is what I hear. The same with Sergio. Fact is if both of them were at full fitness, things would be different now. Sergio would have easily taken care of the deficit of Janku. And R99 well...

No disrespect to any of you here. But too many of us like to talk like pundits, saying we wouldn't be here if <insert erudite observations about strikers and the foolishness of Galliani here>, but let me tell you, hindsight for every one is twenty-twenty.
This view is influenced by the hindsight bias - the tendency to see outcomes as being obvious, but only after the fact.
Every single person who has anything to do with football, saw Chelsea buy Sheva. They'd seen Sheva play for us. Every single person was quick to say this is the big one. He's gonna do this and do that. And now what?? Everyone is talking about how it was a stupid purchase, since Mourinho didn't really want him and how he was never gonna fit into the 'system' and so on. Well that's B.S. Anytime you spend over 15 mill. euros on a player, you better have a system to accomodate him.

Ofcourse not.  That is why galliani and co are getting the big bucks so they dont do stupid mistakes.  Otherwise what good are they?

And what of Arsenal. How many strikers do they have?? RvP, Adebayor, Walcott, Bendtner?? And we said how stupid Wenger was to sell Henry. And how RvP was their only hope up front. The other three?? Go through the league thread to find out what we thought about them. What's going on now?? Now it's not just my good friend Locke Lamora...everyone is saying 'Arsene knows!'. Yes sure, Arsenal's style of play doesn't need top-notch strikers anymore..is another argument.

Henry was not what they were lacking last year it was fluid and togetherness of the team.  This year there team work is flawless and they work as a unit.  Defend and score.  They dont really have what i would call the single goal scorer.  It doesn't matter who scores that is their philosophy.  Here if gila or pippo doesn't score we get upset, because we are in need of the striker presence.

Well geez...you got two goal-scoring mids, playing off the best deep playmaker in the world, it ought to work too right?? It doesn't, and that sucks, so now we have the luxury of saying , 'you know what I knew it all along!'. And we can throw up ideas all we want, in fact anything that's different from what we're doing now. So, we'll bring in Gourcuff, we'll buy Drogba, we'll do this. But if we do and we flop, then what? Do we lose anything? Gourcuff lost us a match, I'm not saying he's crap because of that, but doesn't change things. Not bringing him in, might have won us thta match. So, does it prove anything? Maybe Gourcuff is not Zidane. He looks good, he's a good kid, and got talent. But he's got some way to go, before he can take Ambro out of the team. And when the time comes, Carlo WILL do it. Make NO mistake. He benched Rui for a barely 22 Kaka!!!

That was something i never understood as i wasn't in too much depth of football as i am now.

Yes, now Kaka is the best player in the world, but do you know what it meant then??!! When it came to number 10s, there was Zidane, and then there was Rui... imagine something like Pato(who'd never been seen in the  Club World Championship or the U-20s, u'll have to take out the media hype) benching Henry(of Arsenal), you'll have some idea.

And as for competition in Milan...how was Kaka able to bench the great Rui Costa. If the players play they will be noticed, and they will find the space on the first 11. Ambro even after injury didn't get a walk in. He played his heart out. Gourcuff from what little I've seen, hasn't impressed me enough to bench Pirlo or Seedorf at his best.

Its not the fact that his performances didn't help its that our club has little faith in him.  When you are in need of a goal and favalli goes on in the 75th minute, that is basically a slap in the face for an attacking player.  And that is clearly one man's fault.

I'm a Carlo fan...I admit it, and it pisses me off, when now that we're in a low point he's made a scapegoat. YES...for the millionth time, he's not the best tactician there is. But teams that play good football rarely have those.

Manchester Utd- SAF is a great coach, but not the best tactician. Even after 20 years in the game. Carlo owned him last year.

Barcelona- Rijkaard. I don't need to explain more. His team has always been about players.

Arsenal- Wenger. The best team builder I've ever seen after Sacchi. But tactics??

Ajax- Ten Cate(formerly). Believe me, I've seen the Dutch fans for Ajax. And I've even read reports. Those blokes boo back-passes. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) And Ten Cate invented the Barcelona football. But Ajax?? Look where they finished last year.

Tactics are something weaker teams use to get an advantage over stronger teams. When your players can't do the job, yes tactics are needed. But when they can do the job, you just let them do their thing. Football Management 101. And not the best tactics work out then. Last year's final. The only tactician who might be better than the great Jose still lost. After marking (supposedly) our hope and redemption-Kaka out of the game!! Kaka made the pass that won the game.

Rafa made a mistake by subbing out macherano as he went for the win.  Had he not taken macherano out, kaka would probably not have made that killer pass.  Tactics and good football are needed.  I who am coaching on a regular basis and come to understood that if a sort of rules or guidelines are not implemented then the team will not be as good as it can be.  Players at the proffesional level are tools,  They have mastered the basics and the manager is the programmer.  Who ever plays the proper tactics+luck wins the match.  That is why teams like porto can win the cl.

Yes, now our team looks weak (not on paper though), and perhaps we need tactics. Well then you have any fresh ideas, as to why things that used to work don't anymore?? Why is the great Nesta suddenly not man-marking like he used to? Why is the sublime Pirlo not finding players at will like he used to?? Why is the Dutch magician, Seedorf suddenly stuck?? Why is it that Rino's tenacity is no longer enough? To me these issues need to be fixed first, before we  throw in new formations or fit in new players.

Age and the ferocity to prove yourself on the pitch has disapeered in alot of these players.  That is why you don't see them giving a 110% every match like kaka or gila has been doing.  Especially gila i've really liked show of desire and hunger for victory  lately.  He is shaping into his potential.

Sure bench em all, till they find it again. That's right...we'll put the fear of failure into them!!! If I were any one of those players, I'd find it offensive for my commitment to be questioned. Seedorf was called Calamity Clarence by the merda. Every CL we won, he's played a part. He's given his best performances for Milan, and will never back down when he's called to do it. And so on for all of those players on the roster.
And we want to bench them?? Are we really so good observers of the game, that we can claim that they are no longer motivated!!! We said it last season too...and they found the motivation. Winners don't need motivation, it's in them.

Not always, they are getting paid good and have won every single cup they could.  Seedorf CL 4 times.  You could argue its within them, however desire to prove yourself is different.  Last year if they had this form, we would not be critizing them because its what we expected.  We had prayed for 4th place and underestimated our team's abilities and took them lightly.  Not just us, everyone did.  The players had the desire to prove everyone wrong.  Now this season we have expectations of them and they haven't played overall poorly just they have been very unlucky.

What we need is not a new coach, or a whole new roster of players. What we need to do, is exactly what those 'idiots' in our management tell us to do. Stay calm and assess the situation. Find out what's going wrong,and fix it.  Sure we all know what's going wrong. Each of us has different opinions. But then we have that luxury. Carletto and Galliani don't. Every step they take has repurcussions, on players, on human beings, on the team, on the finances. We're talking millions of dollars here if nothing else.

Coach yes, roster no.

If a player needs to be brought in to fix holes, they WILL do it. Not buying in a new striker, so that Pato can play is an excellent decision imo. Because with 3 main strikers, Pato will always find the space to develop, and Milan needs that. In fact he's been virtually assured first team status. And I'm sure that's why he came in.

Oli in for sheva?  They can do it good allright.  Pato its good for him to develop however it is not good for the team.  Imagine if we don't get 4th.  I bet half the fans will be heart-broken.

Gila has been called the future of Italian forwards. By Pippo and Carletto. And fan boy that I'am even if weren't I'm not gonna question them. Why?? Coz I'm not the second highest goal scorer in European competitions. Coz I haven't got legend status as a mid-field player for two top Italian teams, and then gone on to coach a team to the number 1 position in Europe. I'm humble enough to admit, I don't know enough as they do. I don't see Milan train. I don't see the things that they see. If they keep faith, I will too.

I still have some doubt.  However it is looking that way now.

In the end even if this a crappy season, we still won a trophy. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) And I'll accept that. Some of y'all should try supporting Newcastle as I did. Or Bochum even. Helps keep things in perspective. A crappy season will be forgotten. That's life, and our board is being smart. Sometimes a long term gain might be much better than a short term loss. Or to overlook a short term gain (get us a top striker) is better than running a long term loss (have Pato wasted as he doesn't find time to play. Have our 'top' striker grumble about playing time etc.)

Overall Great speech. Enjoyed reading your insight on it and you have a very distinct oppinion and i have the highest amount of respect for it. Thanks for taking the time to reflect your view (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif)

And finally FORZA MILAN AND WE WILL GET BACK FROM THIS MESS ONCE THE FAT ONE RETURNS (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

Ps: sorry avr, dont kill me (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)