[Jack Bauer]

Milan have insisted that boss Massimiliano Allegri will not be leaving for Roma at the end of the season.

The tactician has been paired with the capital club for 2013-14 after the decision to sack Zdenek Zeman on Saturday.

“Roma can’t steal Coaches from other clubs,” the official noted. “Allegri will still be the Milan boss next season.

“He’s a good tactician and we’ve always known that. He reminds me of Carlo Ancelotti, for how balanced he is.”

Allegri’s job was thought to be on the line in the Autumn after a problematic start to the campaign and Silvio Berlusconi’s open admiration for future Bayern Munich boss Pep Guardiola.

“The club were right to not make a coaching change,” Galliani continued. “Other clubs would not have done the same.

“We’re climbing back up the table and fighting for the positions that we always have done. We’re now travelling at our pace from the last two seasons.”

The Diavolo have won eight of their last 10 games in Serie A. Their only loss came at Roma in that run, while they were held at Sampdoria.

Allegri’s contract at Milan expires in June 2014.

http://www.football-italia.net/30352/milan...allegri-2013-14

[kurtsimonw]

The start of the season wasn't surprising. Milan are always slow starters and this season we had the added issue of losing our 3 best best players without really replacing them. Bring in the 2/3 starters we need in the summer and see how we do. If we don't make a realistic title challenge then don't renew his contract in summer '14.

[han2503]

Find me the biggest head slap gif you can find (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I'm sure this is just talk in the air. Can't see Allegri as our coach beyond this season. That would be suicidal on our part

[kurtsimonw]

If he does manage to finish 3rd this season, staying on isn't good enough. He deserves a new contract.

[han2503]

If he does manage to finish 3rd this season, staying on isn't good enough. He deserves a new contract.

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Good one

[dst]

I don't like Allegri but 3rd place finish with this squad is great. I agree with Kurt.

[X-Offender]

You all know how I feel about Allegri, but if we manage to get 3rd place then I think it's only fair to cut him some slack.

[Jack Sparrow]

I think if he finished 3rd, we couldn't complain one bit. You could nitpick and point out that it was the inclusion of Balotelli that made all the difference, but that would be just silly. We need the stability for now and he hasn't done too badly.

[kurtsimonw]

I read that before the Udinese game in the past 10 games only Barca in all of Europes top leagues had picked up more points so it's not all bad. Defeat to Roma is disappointing, but they can beat and lose to anyone, so unpredictable.

I hope if he does get 3rd that the squad is strengthened a bit. I don't want "Balotelli will have a full season" new player BS.

[Rossoneri7]

Agreed, if he finishes 3rd then he deserves to stay on for another season. Considering all that had happened last summer, the aftermath of the same, and how he made a team out of the 'eggs' he had on hand .. It is only deserved.

[han2503]

You guys talk as if he's taken a Serie B side to third.

At the start of the season we all agreed that this squad should get 3rd. We're still better than the likes of Roma, Lazio and Fiorentina.

No matter what happens by the end of the season, Allegri should be out, he's as much responsable for our terrible displays which led to losses as he is for our supposed "revival"

[acid911]

No matter what happens by the end of the season, Allegri should be out, he's as much responsable for our terrible displays which led to losses as he is for our supposed "revival"

Aye. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) If he stays, we'll probably not win a Scudetto anytime soon, and the CL is out of question already. I said probably, because of Allegri's apparent lack of tactical awareness. It has been ages since I have seen Milan as a well oiled machine winning matches left and right due to their sheer footballing abilities. It's one good match, then bust.

A big name, experienced coach, on the other hand, could see see us to success.

[han2503]

^^^

Agreed.

Getting 3rd will be a good stepping stone for this supposed new young Milan to start from. Not making that 3rd spot would be a disaster for us as we absolutely need that money.

A CL place was the minimum expectation from Allegri, and he agreed to this as well. If anything this season has been a huge disappointment no matter what the circumstances Allegri was dealth. A Serie B side plays with more cohesion and motivation than Allegri's team.

Next season we really need to start thinking about our future, and that means a very good coach, who's not just tactically astute, but also able to get the best out of the players he has

[acid911]

Next season we really need to start thinking about our future, and that means a very good coach, who's not just tactically astute, but also able to get the best out of the players he has

This. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) If we are to get another hack then maybe I can tolerate Mr. Smalltime Coach™ and his antics for a little while longer. But provided we can get a very good coach, like you said, then no reason why we should not. Particularly if we are seriously working towards a project, and don't want to wander around aimlessly between 2nd and 3rd.

Sure, in his defense we lost two cornerstones this summer, but Allegri never seemed a guy that would extract the last ounce of greatness from his players and gel them into a lethal unit. You take a look at clubs around the world, and there are plenty that play with an identity and grit. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) We just seem to wander around, sometimes to a Scudetto, sometimes to a hopeless 2nd place crash, while being in command most of the season.

But like I said, only if a quality replacement arrives. This guy is lucky he's had players like Ibra, and now Balotelli at his disposal. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) Leonardo, lest we forget, for all his shortcomings, had to make do much less.

[kurtsimonw]

You guys talk as if he's taken a Serie B side to third.

At the start of the season we all agreed that this squad should get 3rd. We're still better than the likes of Roma, Lazio and Fiorentina.

No matter what happens by the end of the season, Allegri should be out, he's as much responsable for our terrible displays which led to losses as he is for our supposed "revival"

In the same way some on here say "We had Zlatan and Silva, of course we should've won the title" the same could be said of Napoli this season. I think Hamsik has been overrated in the past, but this season he's been unreal. Cavani > all of our strikers, Hamsik + Inler now he's back to his Udinese form > the rest of our team. Juve and Napoli are certainly better than us. Even you said earlier in the season Inter have a better squad. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I'd say 3rd is a decent acheivment considering.

This guy is lucky he's had players like Ibra, and now Balotelli at his disposal. Leonardo, lest we forget, for all his shortcomings, had to make do much less.

I guess SAF is just lucky he had Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Keane, Rooney, Nistelrooy, Ronaldo, etc. Wenger is lucky he had Pires, Ljungberg, Vieira and Henry. Ancelotti that he had a Milan all-star team. Every top club needs top players and we've still not won the league often.

It's almost as if Allegri is being criticised for winning the league. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) He did an incredible job in his first season.

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Feb 5 2013, 03:42 PM

[acid911]

It's almost as if Allegri is being criticised for winning the league. He did an incredible job in his first season.

Not really, I'm comparing his teams to what Leonardo had to contend with. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) He finished 3rd after a total wreck of a season where Kaka and Maldini had left, and the face of the club had a ponytail and rabbit teeth. No offense.

[kurtsimonw]

Not really, I'm comparing his teams to what Leonardo had to contend with. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) He finished 3rd after a total wreck of a season where Kaka and Maldini had left, and the face of the club had a ponytail and rabbit teeth. No offense.

Yes, his team was better than Leo's. Which is why he finished on 12 more points and won the league.

[acid911]

Yes, his team was better than Leo's. Which is why he finished on 12 more points and won the league.

Aye. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) And even though this is hypothetical only, but it would have been interesting had he inherited the same team instead of Ibra, Robinho, Boateng, and even Cassano. That, or Leo with these four players. But this is just comparing both coaches, for my money neither is top, top stuff. Allegri may even be better than Leonardo, but still.

Nevertheless, this just may prove to be sweet talk from the management. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) If they have lined up someone better they will pull the trigger. If not, then Allegri will continue as he knows the team and players, and is familiar with the club atmosphere. But I still believe a coach's shelf life is 5 years at most at a club. At most.

[han2503]

In the same way some on here say "We had Zlatan and Silva, of course we should've won the title" the same could be said of Napoli this season. I think Hamsik has been overrated in the past, but this season he's been unreal. Cavani > all of our strikers, Hamsik + Inler now he's back to his Udinese form > the rest of our team. Juve and Napoli are certainly better than us. Even you said earlier in the season Inter have a better squad. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I'd say 3rd is a decent acheivment considering.


I guess SAF is just lucky he had Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Keane, Rooney, Nistelrooy, Ronaldo, etc. Wenger is lucky he had Pires, Ljungberg, Vieira and Henry. Ancelotti that he had a Milan all-star team. Every top club needs top players and we've still not won the league often.

It's almost as if Allegri is being criticised for winning the league. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) He did an incredible job in his first season.

Only you think that Napoli are so much better than us. Hamsik is a good player but nothing more, he's had some great games but he's had them in seasons prior to this one as well. The only really top class player they have is Cavani. Who yes, is better than any of our strikers by far, but as far as the rest of their squad goes we edge them in other areas. And if Balo can actually keep his head screwed on straight we'd also be able to give them a run in attack as well consdering SES probably has as many open play goals as Cavani does.

This is you once again over exxagerating other teams' strength and underrating ours so your Allegri arguments can be founded. When in reality Allegri has always been given a very strong squad, Sure this season he lost Silva and Ibra but it's still a strong squad.

At the start of the season I said only Inter and Juve have better squads then ours on paper. And I stand by that. In reality what we have now is an Inter that has pretty much imploded in on themselves while Napoli are over achieving slightly, but we'll leave them to falter when they face the big hurdles like they have always done in the past.

That being said, I said I only see Inter and Juve ahead of us, the only thing that has changed is Inter's bad performanced while Napoli are doing well. Thus, this still leaves 3rd place for us which we should at least be able to achieve this season. I've said this from the start, minimum requirement has always been 3rd place with the squad we have, Allegri concurred with that at the start as well, and I still stand by that.

The only reason we're rejoicing now is because this provincial coach has forced us to lower our standards to such a degree that we're hyperventelating at the thought of third. As if CL football is the holy grail for a club like Milan and not a mimimum expectation. That's the problem here, we started this season in such a shambolic state barely being able to scrape any sort of result against the worst teams in the league that all of a sudden we're rejoicing that we're picking up the points that we rightfully should considering our recent fixture list. That shambolic start in and of itself was the result of Allegri's mismanagement and total lack of tactical vision.

When Leo took us to the CL with an even worse squad than this one full of old players who had already given their all to the club he was still fired at the end of the season, and I expect the same for Allegri.

[kurtsimonw]

This is you once again over exxagerating other teams' strength and underrating ours so your Allegri arguments can be founded. When in reality Allegri has always been given a very strong squad, Sure this season he lost Silva and Ibra but it's still a strong squad.

And you do the opposite.

Silva v Zapata
Nesta v Acerbi
MVB v De Jong
Montolivo v Aquilani - about equal
Seedorf v Traore
Cassano v Bojan - I think Cassano is far superior, but I'll give this equal too before people complain.
Ibra v Pazzini

And in the case of Silva, Nesta, Seedorf and Ibra we're talking massive downgrades. It's a decent squad, I've said I think we're the 4th best, now with Balo probably the 3rd. Let's hope with the 3rd best squad for half a season we can go and get it.

[Dracoris]

It's unimaginable that we could finish third after everything thats happened this year. Allegri deserves to stay 100% and receive a pay increase if we finish third.

[X-Offender]

Next season we really need to start thinking about our future, and that means a very good coach, who's not just tactically astute, but also able to get the best out of the players he has

Van Basten: "I'm training to become the future Milan coach."

Link

Yes, I want him!

[kurtsimonw]

Van Basten: "I'm training to become the future Milan coach."

Link

Yes, I want him!

I'd like him in the future. I'd not take him anytime soon though.

[han2503]

And you do the opposite.

Silva v Zapata
Nesta v Acerbi
MVB v De Jong
Montolivo v Aquilani - about equal
Seedorf v Traore
Cassano v Bojan - I think Cassano is far superior, but I'll give this equal too before people complain.
Ibra v Pazzini

And in the case of Silva, Nesta, Seedorf and Ibra we're talking massive downgrades. It's a decent squad, I've said I think we're the 4th best, now with Balo probably the 3rd. Let's hope with the 3rd best squad for half a season we can go and get it.

Nice how you conveniantely left out the most important part of my post which includes us lowering our standards to such a lowly degree simply because of our lowly coach

As for your comparisons you're reducing it into something very simple when the situation is far more complex. Sure man for man in terms of those guys going out and the ones who came in there was a drop in quality in almost all cases.

But you're forgetting players like SES, Mexes, Flamini (now), DS who last season were in the squad but were so peripheral to the squad that they barely got a look in (Mexes havig slightly more playing time because of his bigger name). All of these players have contributed a lot this season and if you want to really compare in terms of who replaced who then you seriously cannot bring in the likes of Acerbi and Traore into the argument who are barely considered squad members at this rate, one of them having already been shipped off.

Even without Balo we still have a strong squad, and like you said, third best in the league. Napoli come behind us as sure they do have better options in certain areas. For example Cavani being better than Balo, Hamsik better than Prince, butthat's pretty much it. Would I want any oftheir defenders ahead of ours? F*** NO! Any of their mids asde from the previously mentioned Hamsik? Once again, no. Any of their forwards? No. And let's not even go into the question of squad depth

It's unimaginable that we could finish third after everything thats happened this year. Allegri deserves to stay 100% and receive a pay increase if we finish third.

Oh yes, and we should roll out the gold carpet as well as make that extension for 5 years (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[Jack Bauer]

Not every great player is a great coach. Van Basten failed so far with every team he managed (curently in 14 place with Heerenveen). He might be ready in the future but definitely not now.

This post has been edited by Jack Bauer: Feb 5 2013, 05:50 PM

[han2503]

Van Basten: "I'm training to become the future Milan coach."

Link

Yes, I want him!

I personally prefer Rijkaard if we go down the Dutch road. Van Basten seems like he's too inflexible and as stubborn as Allegri

[kurtsimonw]

Nice how you conveniantely left out the most important part of my post which includes us lowering our standards to such a lowwly degree simply because of our lowly coach

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

[han2503]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I'm not saying you didn't read it but chose not to respond to it, because whether you like him or hate him it's pretty obvious that this is what Allegri has now reduced us to. So you chose to overlook my observation and not reply to it, simply because you cannot come up with an argument on that bit

[X-Offender]

Not every great player is a great coach. Van Basten failed so far with every team he managed (curently in 14 place with Heerenveen). He might be ready in the future but definitely not now.

I know, but I still want him. It's my personal belief that he can do well with us. I understand everyone's skepticism though.

[kurtsimonw]

I'm not saying you didn't read it but chose not to respond to it, because whether you like him or hate him it's pretty obvious that this is what Allegri has now reduced us to. So you chose to overlook my observation and not reply to it, simply because you cannot come up with an argument on that bit

We've finished 1st and 2nd to an undefeated team, I'd hardly say it's awful so far. I also don't believe for a second he has anything to do with who comes in and who leaves.

[han2503]

I know, but I still want him. It's my personal belief that he can do well with us. I understand everyone's skepticism though.

Despite my previous criticism, I'd take him over Allegri any day of the week

My main point is that if we are going to change coach, I really want to see a leap in style and quality from the man leading the side. And personally, I don't think Van Basten can offer that, he'd just be a slight improvement.

[kurtsimonw]

Despite my previous criticism, I'd take him over Allegri any day of the week

QUOTED FOR POSTERITY! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Jack Bauer]

I know, but I still want him. It's my personal belief that he can do well with us. I understand everyone's skepticism though.

I don't want us to gamble again. If we are going to replace Allegri, it has to be someone proven.

[han2503]

QUOTED FOR POSTERITY! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

At this current point in time. I'd take YOU coaching this team over this small time coach ANY day of the week (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I might not like some of VB's methods but he's still a better tactician then Allegri. I personally don't see myself ever not criticising a coach no matter how much I like him but Allegri has basically tested every Milan fan's limits from day 1

[kurtsimonw]

Van Basten is probably the worst of all the former Milan players who've gotten big jobs in coaching. I was fortunate enough to see his Ajax at Villa Park and even braindead MON tactically outclassed him.

[Rossoneri7]

But han I thought you liked Allegri when he was at Cagliari and was calling for Ancelotti's axe and be replaced by Allegri ... Why the sudden change of heart? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[han2503]

But han I thought you liked Allegri when he was at Cagliari and was calling for Ancelotti's axe and be replaced by Allegri ... Why the sudden change of heart? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Really?

When did I want Carlo out so that Allegri could come in? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

[Zed.D]

Just because MvB hasn't been successful with 2-3 teams (most of them small teams compared to us anyway) doesn't necessarily mean he fail at Milan as well. Milan could be the turning point in his coaching career just as much as it could be another failure for him. I'd like us to give him a fair chance and see how he does.

[acid911]

Yeah, can't disagree with this Zed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) He has left a lot to be desired up until now, but there is no reason why Marco van Basten cannot step up his game at a club like Milan.

[kurtsimonw]

Really?

When did I want Carlo out so that Allegri could come in? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Allegri is a better coach than Carlo. Carlo has done a bad job with a great team and Allegri has done a great job with a bad team.

If we fail to bring Allegri in and stick with this Milan family crap we won't get anywhere.

[Jack Bauer]

(IMG:http://spottie.se/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/owned.png)

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[Zed.D]

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[milanbuf88]

Kurt, you just made my day! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

At this point I'd enjoy seeing Allegri get an extension just so I could see the meltdown that would follow as soon as han hears of it.

Seriously though I think Allegri deserves to stay on if he gets us to 3rd and only deserves an extension if he magically pulls the scudetto out of his *** for us. Assuming he gets us to third, he gets his last year of his contract as a put up or shut up year to make a serious run at the CL and scudetto (hopefully with the help of one or two good signings in the summer.)

[Zed.D]

Most fans agree that Allegri deserves to at least see out his contract (expires in 2014, right?) if we finish 3rd or better. and that's what's gonna happen anyway, so why argue about it.

[han2503]

^^^

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Nice one kurt!!!

I must have been seriously ill during those times. Or at least seriously sick of Carlo (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

In reality Allegri did do well with Cagliari. But it has become abbundantly clear that that is all he is. A small time coach who can do well with an average team, who have a small club mentality. He's simply not good enough for a club like Milan and no one can really deny it.

Like you British say, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Well at that time I hasn't had a taste, now I have, and let me tell you, it's one SH!TTY pudding!!!

[han2503]

Most fans agree that Allegri deserves to at least see out his contract (expires in 2014, right?) if we finish 3rd or better. and that's what's gonna happen anyway, so why argue about it.

Most Milan fans?

The majority of Milan fans I talk to absolutely despise Allegri, probably even more then I do, which is saying something. Even the majority of people on here hate him.

The fact that they're willing to put up with his cr@p for another year if he manages a 3rd spot only shows the mediocre expectations he's reduced us to. Like I said before. A CL spot for any Milan fan is a minimum expectation and not a cause for rejoicing as if we're some provincial club who have finally hit the motherload after years of waiting thanks to the brilliance that is Allegri. Because by some of the posts above that is what it's being made out to look like

BTW kurt, it really warms my heart to see you taking the time to look for something I said nearly 4 or 5 years ago (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[han2503]

Kurt, you just made my day! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

At this point I'd enjoy seeing Allegri get an extension just so I could see the meltdown that would follow as soon as han hears of it.

Seriously though I think Allegri deserves to stay on if he gets us to 3rd and only deserves an extension if he magically pulls the scudetto out of his *** for us. Assuming he gets us to third, he gets his last year of his contract as a put up or shut up year to make a serious run at the CL and scudetto (hopefully with the help of one or two good signings in the summer.)

The day Allegri wins a Scudetto without Ibrahimovic single handedly winning games for him I'l say he deserves it as well. This should show you how much I'm sure that he wouldn't be able to achieve it in all his years based on his sole merit as a tactician.

I personally think that this talk from Galliani is just that: talk. It's pretty much known that we've been shopping around for a new coach for a while now. And with a new name being linked with us every week it's pretty obvious that the men in suites haven't been happy with Allegri for a while now. Only Galliani seems blinded to his mediocrity

[acid911]

Like you British say, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Eh, it's “the proof is in the pudding”, man. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) No one says anything about eating!

[Zed.D]

Most Milan fans?

The majority of Milan fans I talk to absolutely despise Allegri, probably even more then I do, which is saying something. Even the majority of people on here hate him.

The fact that they're willing to put up with his cr@p for another year if he manages a 3rd spot only shows the mediocre expectations he's reduced us to. Like I said before. A CL spot for any Milan fan is a minimum expectation and not a cause for rejoicing as if we're some provincial club who have finally hit the motherload after years of waiting thanks to the brilliance that is Allegri. Because by some of the posts above that is what it's being made out to look like

BTW kurt, it really warms my heart to see you taking the time to look for something I said nearly 4 or 5 years ago (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Let's start a poll then (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) look at this thread for example


Kurt
dst
X-Off
Jack Sparrow
R7
Dracoris
milanbuf
and me

vs.

You
acid

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

It's not like that we would mind a better coach, but if you think one would agree to come in this situation, think again. and if we're going to bring someone like Allegri and unsettle ourselves for another few seasons, I personally would rather stick with Max tbh. until the day we have a formidable squad and can persuade a big coach to come in and make us great again.

[Fillipo Simone]

Well, you know I'm on han's side (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[han2503]

Eh, it's “the proof is in the pudding”, man. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) No one says anything about eating!

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/proof-of-the-pudding.html (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Let's start a poll then (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) look at this thread for example


Kurt
dst
X-Off
Jack Sparrow
R7
Dracoris
milanbuf
and me

vs.

You
acid

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

It's not like that we would mind a better coach, but if you think one would agree to come in this situation, think again. and if we're going to bring someone like Allegri and unsettle ourselves for another few seasons, I personally would rather stick with Max tbh. until the day we have a formidable squad and can persuade a big coach to come in and make us great again.

Situation?

What situation?

A situation where you basically have job security no matter what f@ck up you come up with each week?

I'm sorry but the only reason you choose to accept this is because you think making the final CL spot in the league is "great" for us. Let's bow down to the almighty Allegri. Personally I'd prefer staying a year out of the CL if it means first and foremost we get rid of this idiot and secondly we use the time to really rebuild. Being out of the CL worked for Juve at the end of the day as imagine them having to contend with the rigorous fixture list we had last season and still winning that league.

There are a LOT of better coaches out there we can choose from. Allegri is simply not the way to move forward. If we make third, we say "thanky you, don't let the door hit you on your way out, bye bye". And that will be a great day for Milan I can assure you. The reason we're in such a sh!tty mess is not simply because we lost 2 players. Who yes were important to us, but certainly not the difference between constantly fighting for first in the league to languishing in the relegation zone. Do you honestly feel that this was simply because we lost these 2 players or because of our incompetent coach?

[kurtsimonw]

I do apologise to han. It was just an attempt to try and drag some praise out of him regarding Allegri. I thought if I showed him a post of him wanting him would make him backtrack on stuff, but he didn't he stuck to his anti-Allegri attitude so fair play to him for that.

The post was indeed a creation of my own. I tried to find a han post including the word Allegri before he came here as coach, but it only goes back 1000 posts, which wasn't far enough. Basically means han posts about Allegri more than 4 times a day. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[han2503]

I do apologise to han. It was just an attempt to try and drag some praise out of him regarding Allegri. I thought if I showed him a post of him wanting him would make him backtrack on stuff, but he didn't he stuck to his anti-Allegri attitude so fair play to him for that.

The post was indeed a creation of my own. I tried to find a han post including the word Allegri before he came here as coach, but it only goes back 1000 posts, which wasn't far enough. Basically means han posts about Allegri more than 4 times a day. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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Nice (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I don't know if I wanted Allegri back then, I seriously do not remember. I wanted a change from the stagnancy that had become Carlo's reign in his last few seasons, that's for sure. Allegri back then looked like a smart choice. Humble background, did well with a limited side, had no connection to the so called "Milan family", etc.

However, what I thought back then was just that, in the past. As I said, we've now had 3 years under Allegri and it's more than enough.

No matter what I thought back then, it can never change the negative perception Allegri has built in my mind in the present day.

And I ask all of you guys who I know are genuine Milan fans and have followed this team for a while. Do you really see Allegri as the right choice moving forward beyond this season? The lack of identity he has brought into this club through the way we've been playing should be enough of a decision maker. The fact that last Sunday people were celebrating a non-existant penalty saying that they don't care how, as long as we win it doesn't matter. This had never been the way people who followed Milan viewed things. This is the Allegri way. It's always been apparent from his first season with us. The total lack of class in the team, the time wasting as if we are Cagliari and not Milan. And this is just the superficial aspect of what he brings into the club. Don't get me started on his complete ineptitude as a coach in all areas

[acid911]

I had actually figured it out (there is a missing anchor graphic) so I knew what Kurt was pulling. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) But it was so good, did not want to spoil it. And the Jack Bauer landed with his funny image, which I am inclined to believe he fell for the prank or you know, was playing the game all along.

But well played, everyone. Even with my super memory I recall Han was pleased when we signed Allegri, and nothing else. I reckon he was content when we won the league as well, but after that things went downhill. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) In fact, while we were in a state of limbo (Cagliari was not cutting Allegri free), everyone wanted him to come.

Everyone was ecstatic when we snapped up Allegri, because Ibra, Robinho and friends also came at that time.

[kurtsimonw]

And I ask all of you guys who I know are genuine Milan fans and have followed this team for a while. Do you really see Allegri as the right choice moving forward beyond this season?

I don't see him winning regular titles or making Finals/SFs of the Champions League. Part of that is the competition both domestically (Juve) and Internationally (Madrid, Man U, Bayern, Barca) being so tough, but part of it is that I don't think he has what it takes to consistantly be a winner.

If the plan really is to make us financially secure and try to improve our profits so we can have a nice budget to work with every summer, he's okay with me for being our coach until that point. Once the club is ready to compete with Juve and be a bigger force in Europe again, that's when we need a top coach who can get it done on both fronts.

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Whoa, hold your horses there boyo! I never said I want Allegri to stay. I suggested that if we reach 3rd place then the man deserve some slack from all the haters (including me), but that doesn't change the fact that at the end of he day he's still a mediocre coach, and I want his sorry @ss out of here!

I do apologise to han. It was just an attempt to try and drag some praise out of him regarding Allegri. I thought if I showed him a post of him wanting him would make him backtrack on stuff, but he didn't he stuck to his anti-Allegri attitude so fair play to him for that.

The post was indeed a creation of my own. I tried to find a han post including the word Allegri before he came here as coach, but it only goes back 1000 posts, which wasn't far enough. Basically means han posts about Allegri more than 4 times a day. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

You deserve an award for this. Not only you managed to fool us, but you succeeded in fooling han himself. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbup.gif)

[Danny]

I'm currently happy enough with Allegri, for all his faults.

We're not getting Pep or any marquee new boss so for I am actually reasonably happy with Max.

So count me in the pro Max camp for the foreseeable future.

[KillerMax]

Seriously though I think Allegri deserves to stay on if he gets us to 3rd and only deserves an extension if he magically pulls the scudetto out of his *** for us. Assuming he gets us to third, he gets his last year of his contract as a put up or shut up year to make a serious run at the CL and scudetto (hopefully with the help of one or two good signings in the summer.)

Agreed.

[Jack Bauer]

Allegri will stay, underline Milan

Milan have insisted that there is no chance of boss Massimiliano Allegri leaving at the end of the campaign.

Allegri has been linked with a possible move to Roma once this season has come to an end, even though his contract at San Siro doesn’t expire until June 2014.

“The possibility that Allegri will leave does not exist,” Vice-President Adriano Galliani stated on Monday. “Allegri is happy to remain at Milan and he’ll stay.”

The Rossoneri decided to keep faith with the tactician earlier in the season despite a problematic beginning to the campaign which saw them lose five of their first eight League games.

“Allegri, historically, doesn’t start seasons really strongly as you saw when he was at Cagliari,” Galliani added.

“However, our sluggish beginning was down to what we did to the squad in the summer transfer window. I hope we do better next season.”

While at Cagliari, Allegri lost his first five games in Serie A before picking up a point against Milan in Week 6 of the 2008-09 campaign.

Milan are now third in Serie A and just two points behind second-placed Napoli.

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I'm not sure if Silvio is of the same opinion as Baldy.

[kurtsimonw]

I don't understand why clubs need to come out with this. Why not see where we are in the summer? We could go on a terrible run and finish 4th, then why should he stay?

[acid911]

I don't understand why clubs need to come out with this. Why not see where we are in the summer? We could go on a terrible run and finish 4th, then why should he stay?

Well, what's there to understand? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Don't know about clubs, but Galliani at least lives by these shenanigans. In fact, he probably cannot even digest his breakfast unless he burps out statements like these. I suppose it's too much to expect saneness from the guy most of the time, it really is.

So much so that I can now make out when he is telling the truth, so much shtick I've heard from Fester.

[mishie]

GdS

[mishie]

and beyond http://www.milannews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=113494

[Rossoneri7]

So I was thinking the other day, why did Silvio say Allegri is going to Roma, then once the season ended Roma had already touched base and drafted a contract for Allegri.

Then Silvio's actions of postponing his meeting with the coach, until Roma got fedup and moved to sign a new coach.

Then Silvio's decision was that Allegri was to see out his contract with Milan.


Could all that be, because Roma offered improved terms to what his existing contract offered?


An assumption, nothing more nothing less.

[X-Offender]

So I was thinking the other day, why did Silvio say Allegri is going to Roma, then once the season ended Roma had already touched base and drafted a contract for Allegri.

Then Silvio's actions of postponing his meeting with the coach, until Roma got fedup and moved to sign a new coach.

Then Silvio's decision was that Allegri was to see out his contract with Milan.


Could all that be, because Roma offered improved terms to what his existing contract offered?


An assumption, nothing more nothing less.

Roma didn't get fed-up. They waited until their meeting and when Silvio announced that Allegri would stay, they moved on.

My guess is that Silvio didn't want to meet Allegri because he had already decided to sack him, but thanks to Galliani he changed his mind.

[Rossoneri7]

Roma didn't get fed-up. They waited until their meeting and when Silvio announced that Allegri would stay, they moved on.

My guess is that Silvio didn't want to meet Allegri because he had already decided to sack him, but thanks to Galliani he changed his mind.

Oh Galliani wasn't the only one, players want him as well as fans. So I dont buy into your assumption that Galliani single handedly change his mind.

[Fillipo Simone]

Roma didn't get fed-up. They waited until their meeting and when Silvio announced that Allegri would stay, they moved on.

My guess is that Silvio didn't want to meet Allegri because he had already decided to sack him, but thanks to Galliani he changed his mind.

Yeah, that' what I think happened.

[Fillipo Simone]

Oh Galliani wasn't the only one, players want him as well as fans. So I dont buy into your assumption that Galliani single handedly change his mind.

I don't think Berlusconi has a relationship with the players. I might be wrong though. As for the fans? Hmh, I didn't really feel some pressure coming from the fans towards saving Allegri. Fans never stopped Silvio before, so it isn't a dealbreaker if you ask me.