[kurtsimonw]

well bro some of us think Milan is special and some don't. I know you think iBra is special though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Every fan of every club thinks their club is special.

[KillerMax]

Hah (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I can now see why Tennie left this place. If you don't know the philosphy Milan has been employing since Berlusconi took over, regardless of his personal and political shortcomings, then there is no doubt you don't see what makes Milan special in comparison with other top teams. Teams like Milan and to a good extent Man U have been competitive and treated their champions with care and respect. Speaking about Milan exclusively now, even recently with all the financial troubles the world hase been going through, we are holding on to something so precious and I hope we don't ever let go. The team that won the CL in 2007 was in no way comparable with other teams in terms of age and even quality. Yet, this team played like a classical piece on the pitch. Like a Beethoven masterpiece. Full of emotion, full of the color red. You can't explain a classical masterpiece as a scientist, it just moves through your heart. It's art. It's the art of humanity, passion, sacrifce. We had Maldini and Costacurta as our defenders inour recent history... Never saw these two behave less than a hero. And that also comes across in what they do off the field. Sheva was just a loveable footballer. That smile on his face, the passion, the spirit. Milan, the ideal, has always been the backbone behind Milan's success on paper as far as I can go back in Berlusconi's era.

Lord of the Rings triliogy is one of the most popular achivements in cinema. Why? Cool looking creatures? Well, that's just a platform to deliver a message. Aragorn could have spent day and night explaining to Boromir why they shouldn't use the ring on their quest to destroy it to no avail and as great a metaphore that is, I don't expect you x off and some others to agree or understand. So go ahead with your beliefs, I like a challange.

And saying things like shut the f@ck up and love him or put sentimental b/s aside can turn in to a war of words (how pathetic) and end up in one of us getting banned.

I can't recall getting in trouble on these boards, but you can try me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This post has been edited by KillerMax: Mar 16 2011, 09:42 PM

[Fillipo Simone]

Brilliant post. Exactly what I've had in mind.

[kurtsimonw]

Very good post. But I stand by what I said before and this isn't a debate worth getting into.

[Fillipo Simone]

Yes, because he's right (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[kurtsimonw]

I'm just not interested in getting involved, it's something I'm not going to be dragged in to.

[X-Offender]

Hah (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I can now see why Tennie left this place. If you don't know the philosphy Milan has been employing since Berlusconi took over, regardless of his personal and political shortcomings, then there is no doubt you don't see what makes Milan special in comparison with other top teams. Teams like Milan and to a good extent Man U have been competitive and treated their champions with care and respect. Speaking about Milan exclusively now, even recently with all the financial troubles the world hase been going through, we are holding on to something so precious and I hope we don't ever let go. The team that won the CL in 2007 was in no way comparable with other teams in terms of age and even quality. Yet, this team played like a classical piece on the pitch. Like a Beethoven masterpiece. Full of emotion, full of the color red. You can't explain a classical masterpiece as a scientist, it just moves through your heart. It's art. It's the art of humanity, passion, sacrifce. We had Maldini and Costacurta as our defenders inour recent history... Never saw these two behave less than a hero. And that also comes across in what they do off the field. Sheva was just a loveable footballer. That smile on his face, the passion, the spirit. Milan, the ideal, has always been the backbone behind Milan's success on paper as far as I can go back in Berlusconi's era.

Lord of the Rings triliogy is one of the most popular achivements in cinema. Why? Cool looking creatures? Well, that's just a platform to deliver a message. Aragorn could have spent day and night explaining to Boromir why they shouldn't use the ring on their quest to destroy it to no avail and as great a metaphore that is, I don't expect you x off and some others to agree or understand. So go ahead with your beliefs, I like a challange.

And saying things like shut the f@ck up and love him or put sentimental b/s aside can turn in to a war of words (how pathetic) and end up in one of us getting banned.

I can't recall getting in trouble on these boards, but you can try me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I've been a Milan fan for more than 10 years now, so I don't need you or anyone to tell me about the morals and values of this club. What you said is nothing but the truth. However, like I already mentioned, that doesn't make us more special than any other football club. A supporter's opinion will always be biased, no matter how hard they might try to see things from a different point of view. In the end, what distinguishes this club from the majority is the silverware. I highly doubt your poetic speech would had felt the same had we won just a couple of trophies in these 25 years of presidency under Berlusconi. Winning made us a family, or if you like, winning made us special.

[servbot]

I'm too new of a Milan fan to comment much about the history, but I do know that winning alone doesn't make a team special.

Look at the New York Yankees in baseball. They're called the "evil empire" for a reason, and even their fans don't really argue against it.

[han2503]

I personally think both sides of the argument are valid.

What Max says is true, x-off agreed as well, when saying that all supporters view their club as being special is also true. Imo what distinguishes one club from another is class. You hear people talking about classy clubs, and Milan has always fallen into that bracket, Real Madrid are just as successful if not more then us, but you never hear anyone talking about them being a classy club.

The family values atc, etc, are something that have been drilled into Milan fans by Galliani and co for years now, imo they are true to an extent but it's also a term that is abused by the management. I believe this simply because of the treatment Paolo got when he retired, imo, our management showed their true colours on that occasion and all the family BS they speak of got ruined in my eyes.

I believe the players when they say that they feel a special atmosphere at Milan, and the players are always treated well, but I believe the management like talking about Milan as a family to avoid moving forward with the team, "we won't abandon out champions etc, etc" to avoid having to start a new cycle. Our midfield has been the same for a decade now, that is not normal. Sometimes you just have to move on, give the players a respectful sending off and continue on.

[acid911]

Spoken like a true Han. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Yeah well, I don't know about you, but a whole lot of the "classy club" comments I heard from other football followers for Milan were because of the players we had playing for us through the years. Not exactly the management, but fine chaps like Maldini, Kaka, Van Basten, Boban, Gianni Rivera and (countless other) friends. Of course, the management (mostly B&G) played their part, but the legend was built by the sweet and blood of those who wore the club colors.

As for the term being abused by the management, totally agreed. Where was the class when they ruined Paolo's last match. Same goes for respectively sending off players. Everyone wants to play as much as they can, not all players have the eyes to see that they are past it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) And then there is the recent overall aura coming out of both the Milan clubs, I frankly feel we are the new inter, and the blue guys are the new Milan. Truth be told, this something that I have been feeling for a few years now:

inter team applauding us in the first derby match after our 2007 CL win, we signing egotistical maniacs at wholesale rates, getting beaten by EPL sides three times in a row and falling at the first hurdle in the CL, while this year they have left us in the dust literally after locking horns with Bayern. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) We surely look like a club that is going for the title by hook or crook (both it seems). I would never have thought I would see the day MvB 2.0 played in our shirt, so on and so forth.

It's not like we are 100% the new inter, and vice versa, but I have been sensing the winds of change for a while now. Partly because we have done some things that we wouldn't have say, at the start of the decade, and also inter got a new coat of personality after their consistent league wins, the good showing in Europe, topped with the treble last year. This probably irked B&G to no end, IMO, and we seem to have sold our soul, or part of it, at least.

[kurtsimonw]

I'm too new of a Milan fan to comment much about the history, but I do know that winning alone doesn't make a team special.

Look at the New York Yankees in baseball. They're called the "evil empire" for a reason, and even their fans don't really argue against it.

I don't think that's a fair comparison. The Yankees aren't exactly classless as they, like Milan, will hold onto their players longer than they should. The reason they Yankees are hated is because they spend far more money than anyone else and win more than anyone else. If Milan started to outspend everyone and win everything, we'd be hated by everyone - regardless of the way we look after our players.

I will say it's easy to be loyal when you're great. This goes for both a player and a club.

[acid911]

I don't think that's a fair comparison. The Yankees aren't exactly classless as they, like Milan, will hold onto their players longer than they should. The reason they Yankees are hated is because they spend far more money than anyone else and win more than anyone else. If Milan started to outspend everyone and win everything, we'd be hated by everyone - regardless of the way we look after our players.

I will say it's easy to be loyal when you're great. This goes for both a player and a club.

Excellent points. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/king.gif) Well said!

[drucurl]

Spoken like a true Han. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Yeah well, I don't know about you, but a whole lot of the "classy club" comments I heard from other football followers for Milan were because of the players we had playing for us through the years. Not exactly the management, but fine chaps like Maldini, Kaka, Van Basten, Boban, Gianni Rivera and (countless other) friends. Of course, the management (mostly B&G) played their part, but the legend was built by the sweet and blood of those who wore the club colors.

As for the term being abused by the management, totally agreed. Where was the class when they ruined Paolo's last match. Same goes for respectively sending off players. Everyone wants to play as much as they can, not all players have the eyes to see that they are past it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) And then there is the recent overall aura coming out of both the Milan clubs, I frankly feel we are the new inter, and the blue guys are the new Milan. Truth be told, this something that I have been feeling for a few years now:

inter team applauding us in the first derby match after our 2007 CL win, we signing egotistical maniacs at wholesale rates, getting beaten by EPL sides three times in a row and falling at the first hurdle in the CL, while this year they have left us in the dust literally after locking horns with Bayern. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) We surely look like a club that is going for the title by hook or crook (both it seems). I would never have thought I would see the day MvB 2.0 played in our shirt, so on and so forth.

It's not like we are 100% the new inter, and vice versa, but I have been sensing the winds of change for a while now. Partly because we have done some things that we wouldn't have say, at the start of the decade, and also inter got a new coat of personality after their consistent league wins, the good showing in Europe, topped with the treble last year. This probably irked B&G to no end, IMO, and we seem to have sold our soul, or part of it, at least.

This post sums up exactly how I feel about the recent changes Milan has undergone. I call it Interization

[acid911]

This post sums up exactly how I feel about the recent changes Milan has undergone. I call it Interization

Nice name. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Brilliant name, as a matter of pure fact.

[dst]

Despite what many seem to think, pretty much every fan of every club finds their club 'special', it's only normal.

You actually said nothing there... I agree with it but it has nothing to do with Milan being or not being special. Of course every fan of every club thinks their club is special, the point is some clubs actually are special. Every man in love thinks his woman is beautiful... that does not mean Marissa Miller is not beautiful because her man is just another guy in love who thinks so.

I've been a Milan fan for more than 10 years now, so I don't need you or anyone to tell me about the morals and values of this club. What you said is nothing but the truth. However, like I already mentioned, that doesn't make us more special than any other football club. A supporter's opinion will always be biased, no matter how hard they might try to see things from a different point of view. In the end, what distinguishes this club from the majority is the silverware. I highly doubt your poetic speech would had felt the same had we won just a couple of trophies in these 25 years of presidency under Berlusconi. Winning made us a family, or if you like, winning made us special.

We're more special than Real Madrid and they've won as much as we've had since Berlusconi bought Milan. And personally, I picked this club exactly because of what it is and represents, they were not winning at the point I started following them.

Athletic Bilbao is a special club and I have not seen them win anything lately... Kurt's Aston Villa too... I fail to see how every winning team is the same and how every non-winning team is the same...

Your point about winning making us a family is wrong... why won't people accept Ibra as part of the family then, we're winning thanks to him at the moment aren't we?

Like I said above the fact that every fan of every club thinks their club is special is totally irrelevant because some clubs actually are special...

I don't see why there can't be special clubs anyway... using that logic one can say there's no special anything then, there is just popular and non-popular stuff.